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[โ€“] commander@lemmings.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think Steam might be the only private company in this.

Really says a lot.

[โ€“] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It does.

Private companies are - often - not driven by pure greed. The people work hard for their company to be successful and they are much less likely to fuck it all over with a stupid move.

Public companies, however, are controlled by a bunch of money motivated monkeys that couldn't give a rats ass about a company's future. They'll bleed it all dry and go to the next company.

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[โ€“] Delta_V@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I sometimes feel an anxiety when pondering what will happen when daddy Gabe isn't here to keep the wolves at bay.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

gabe is a very smart person, if he doesnt have a post death plan for steam i would be immensely surprised.

[โ€“] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The fact he is doing research on BCIs, I like to imagine his plan is digitizing himself so he can live forever on the net.

[โ€“] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Basically what Cave Johnson did, indirectly.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

maybe portal was just a story about valve, the entire time.

[โ€“] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The Beta Tester position at Valve is a high-turnaround job just because of all the accidental deaths.

Cave Johnson: "Gamers are all about immersion, and have asked us to make a peripheral device that lets them feel the game even more. Our engineers just designed a monitor with a gun in it that shoots the player when they are shot in game. The legal department tells me this isn't technically legal."

[โ€“] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 points 1 month ago

All hail the immortal cyber-lord Gaben.

[โ€“] Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Steam is still basically the only option AND they are actually helping Linux a lot with game compatibility. Altough, if I need games specifically on steam I'll be buying the key from Greenmangaming (UK) or GamersGate (Sweden). If anybody has more alternatives feel free to let me know so I can add them to my list.

GOG sadly misses a majority of games atm so I just can't replace steam with it yet.

[โ€“] Emptiness@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

isthereanydeal.com

No grey market key sellers, only legit.

[โ€“] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Third party key market places are kinda iffy, and there have been numerous cases of the keys being offered on there having been bought with stolen credit cards, or otherwise generated in ways that aren't quite above board.

I remember one interview with an indy dev in which they said they prefer people pirating, because chargebacks from stolen cards are actively costing them money.

For people who feel they need the entertainment games provide, but can't afford current prices, I feel pirating games from conglomerates, and buying from smaller studios and indies is the most socially responsible way to do it, but I'm not your mum.

Edit: Huh, looks like greenmangaming gets their keys directly from the publishers. Didn't know that was a thing. Guess I was a bit quick on the trigger there, should have checked first. Sorry about that.

[โ€“] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

G2A is probably the big example of Devs prefering you pirate instead of buying.

Only use G2A if you actively wish harm on the company making the game.

[โ€“] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

Don't use G2A even if you wish harm on the company making the game, it's still supporting scammers and thieves, just pirate the game.

[โ€“] Crikeste@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How Newellโ€™s latest yacht? They still allow gambling in CS? Cool cool, nothing to see here.

[โ€“] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At least he had the underdog story having companies try to beat him down.

Still unsure if he came from generational wealth, but at least there's a story there.

[โ€“] Crikeste@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Doesnโ€™t every budding company face competition when they grow? I donโ€™t know what an underdog story has to do with his exploitative business practices and his billionaire lifestyle.

[โ€“] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Getting children addicted to illegal gambling isnโ€™t exactly inspiring.

[โ€“] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

me: steam is terrible; it's just drm with a nice bow on top

steam: steam visual novel fest starts now

me: i love steam stuffs more items on my wishlist

(for real tho itch.io and gog are much better use them - and download the actual offline installers from gog don't use galaxy)

[โ€“] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't have started even dual booting Linux if it wasn't for Steam after being pleasantly surprised with my Steam Deck played most of my Steam library. It's the primary why I intend to get AMD gpu next time around for the better driver support, but that won't be for a few years.

[โ€“] zhyl@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

Yep, if you want a reason why Valve are "less evil" than other companies, one big thing to point to is the huge investment they've made into the Linux ecosystem. Even though it's in their own interests (Microsoft locking out steam would cripple their income), we can see with Epic suing Google/Apple that there are other, shittier ways that they could have attempted the same thing. The investment they've made into Linux, Proton, KDE etc benefit everyone and can't be taken away on a whim.

[โ€“] Rusty@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You are allowed to say Fuck on the Internet. Why are you following the self-censorship rules for Instagram and other social networks if you are making a joke about them?

[โ€“] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I realised that those who censor themselves on the Internet, grew up on the Internet when YouTube started demonitising profanities and thus picked up the habit.

We are getting old.

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[โ€“] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Looks like it was baked into the image template they used

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Costco is cool too! They have local products.

[โ€“] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Most important of all they compensate their employees like they are actual humans.

[โ€“] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man I love it when people glaze objectively bad companies just because it's popular opinion to like them.

Remember steam started the business model of not actually owning your games.

Gabe has made billions by stealing profit from the workers that actually make games.

They had to be sued just to offer refunds.

They host tons of malware and shovelware and outright scam games and even protect them from """"review bombing"""

They pushed "early access" into the mainstream.

And because of people like you that would literally suck Gabes dick for the meme, they get away with it.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember steam started the business model of not actually owning your games.

GOG exists, go use GOG. Steam is popular because they don't fuck over buyers, and they run a good business model, people are ok not "owning" things if the service is reasonably well put together.

Gabe has made billions by stealing profit from the workers that actually make games.

steam takes a 30% cut, which isn't all that high, especially when you consider that they develop things like proton at zero cost to anybody, including developers. You're also getting the single largest and most widely used publishing platform, period. It's really hard to beat something of that caliber, so it's definitely a tradeoff. There are also cases of devs making games that become so popular they pull in millions of dollars worth of revenue.

They host tons of malware and shovelware and outright scam games and even protect them from โ€œโ€โ€œโ€œreview bombingโ€โ€"

in defense of steam, if they specifically curated high quality games people like you would accuse them of gate keeping the platform. Scams are definitely a thing, malware, technically is. I've not seen malware ever in my personal experience, and i doubt most people have, and whenever it does happen, steam responds accordingly so i'm not sure its a fair statement.

They pushed โ€œearly accessโ€ into the mainstream.

there's nothing necessarily wrong with early access, i actually think it's a really productive way to provide tons of play testing and development potential for smaller dev teams. Does it also incentivize shovelware? Sure, but it's a platform you can make money on, that's not abnormal. And again, it's usually very well known when games are abandonware.

And because of people like you that would literally suck Gabes dick for the meme, they get away with it.

surprised you didn't mention gambling, that's probably the most significant argument against steam right now, they effectively run what can be considered an online casino.

[โ€“] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's a lot of effort to put in to trying to excuse blatantly predatory practices of a company with an almost defacto monopoly on PC games and uses said almost-monopoloy to steal 30% of the profits from people that actually make games.

GOG existing does not excuse Steam.

30% is massive. Imagine you sold something on, let's say, Ebay and they took 30% of that money. And devs could have other options of markets to sell their games if more people realised how predatory Steam is and stopped glazing Gabe like he's the video game messiah.

There's a difference between gatekeeping/allowing only AAA games, and just having 0 standards of what is allowed on the store.

Yes early access could be a good thing. But it isn't, they allow all the blatant shovelware and asset flips because, ya know, money. Again, if they just had some fairly basic standards of what they allow on their store to stop their users being ripped off, it wouldn't be a problem, but that wouldn't make them as much money, so they don't do it.

Gabe newel is a billionsire capitalist and Valve runs like any other company. Profits first and foremost.

Why have standards to protect consumers when Gabe needs an 8th super yatch to add to his fleet.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i guess technically they have a monopoly on the market place? But it's not like they're ruthlessly destroying the competition like GOG, and itch.io, and epic games. They literally just offer, a better service. The alternative being that you have to buy games from like 12 different platforms that all work differently, which i think most people, would rather not deal with.

to steal 30% of the profits from people that actually make games.

for which they offer services in return, because it's not stealing, because that's how money works.

30% is massive. Imagine you sold something on, letโ€™s say, Ebay and they took 30% of that money. And devs could have other options of markets to sell their games if more people realised how predatory Steam is and stopped glazing Gabe like heโ€™s the video game messiah.

i mean sure, in the context of ebay that may make sense, but ebay doesn't handle shipping for you, do advertising, doesnt provide you any services to do photography of your product, any information about the product you're using. It's literally just an online marketplace that lets you list a product, and then ship it to somebody who buys it, via a third party customer, steam does literally ALL of the middle man work. You list your game on steam, and steam does EVERYTHING else for you, except for traditional marketing, but that's a different story. Usually if your game is good people will play it, sometimes you just need some luck, but time usually helps with that.

And devs could have other options of markets to sell their games if more people realised how predatory Steam is and stopped glazing Gabe like heโ€™s the video game messiah.

you can quite literally just do this, it won't have the same market reach, but it hasn't stopped viral games before. Many a viral sensation has come from itch.

Thereโ€™s a difference between gatekeeping/allowing only AAA games, and just having 0 standards of what is allowed on the store.

steam has pretty significant standards, especially now that you can't greelight games anymore, you have to actually pay money for it to get listed, sure a lot of the games on the platform are bad, but there are also a lot of really good games, and just because a game is bad doesn't mean it should be delisted either. Sure things like asset flips really should.

Gabe newel is a billionsire capitalist and Valve runs like any other company. Profits first and foremost.

profits first and foremost, except for the fact that a lot of people really just don't have a problem with steam, and steam manages to develop products that obviously arent intended to make money, like proton.

Why have standards to protect consumers when Gabe needs an 8th super yatch to add to his fleet.

also im pretty sure these are just normal yachts.

[โ€“] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you also a glazer for Amazon and Bezos? Because most of these arguments can apply to them too?

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

no? Bezos is substantially worse than gabe

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I still don't understand why the company is so highly regarded. They enable underage gambling. Life must be easy for a company. You just have to be a little bit better than the others and you are regarded as a hero.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i mean, out of all things a company can do that are bad, underage gambling is probably one of the better ones, and the argument in favor of it is that it's on games like csgo and cs2, where the age range is obviously higher than an actual child.

Realistically, i think you have to be kind of stupid to get caught in gambling, but it is also definitely predatory, and there's a reason it's a heavily regulated industry. There's definitely a better solution than we currently have, but it's not as bad as it could be either.

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"underage gambling is probably one of the better ones", "you have to be kind of stupid to get caught in gambling" you seem like you do not know what you are talking about respectfully.
Have you watched cofeezilla? The industry already has armed mafia structures.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

i'm just saying, i can think of a lot worse things a company can do. Amazon, notably. Most countries without substantial labor protection laws, probably also rank worse. Countries currently at war, or controlled by gang violence, probably also worse.

The prison industrial complex, that's pretty bad. Spending money because you're mentally incapable of processing how spending money in that fashion is bad, yeah probably possibly to be worse than that.

Have you watched cofeezilla? The industry already has armed mafia structures.

im sorry steam has a militia?

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure there is always worse, but you don't have to like B because of what A did.

steam does not, but the economy, that they are center of has. Operators of online skin casinos are adopting mafia tactics. You could say "oh, that is just some fringe groups at the outside", but these actors are deeply embedded with streamers, competitive events and the entire culture.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yeah that's pretty typical of any sort of "tradeable currency" digital or not, these sites are all hosted in countries with favorable laws, and in places where it's hard to regulate them.

There's shitty people on the internet, should we personally vet and maintain every single user of the internet, or should we just be "moderate" about it. The question of the ages, how much do we actually care about this specific problem.

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Look, I agree, that they do many good things for consumer protection. They blocked NFT in games and in game advertisement, but they sit at the center of a damaging marketplace and could stop it, but don't and deserve criticism for that.

and it is fair criticism, i have no problem with that. I'm just not sure it's worth demonizing them over. A lot of companies, even good ones, have bad practices, it's just the way the world works, it's hard to do everything absolutely perfectly.

Again, not trying to justify it, i'm just saying there's a level of expectation i think you need to set.

[โ€“] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Steam ils not cool. Steam is a monopoly position. This egemony need to end. We need many actors not just one.

[โ€“] madcaesar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Both things are currently true, they are a monopoly which is not good, but they are also acting nicely for the most part and not fucking people over despite their position

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