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[โ€“] ZeroGravitas@lemm.ee 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It makes sense that they would go where the users are.

But not having a separate, European instance federated into the BlueSky network, that's the real wtf.

[โ€“] monogram@feddit.nl 37 points 1 week ago (8 children)

What if I told you Bluesky federates just as well as WhatsApp does with XMPP.

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[โ€“] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Considering Mastodon sucks from a UX perspective i don't blame them or users. Mastodon seems to be a great case of Open Source and decentralized being so fervently followed that people ignore the absolute real problems with it thus ensuring it will never become any type of mainstream.

Actually trying to find interesting content on Mastodon is fuckin awful, bluesky learned what i liked and hands me new awesome artists pretty much daily. Combine that with the whole having to select an instance and remember how to use it and cross instance posting and blah blah blah and your average person is not even going to look at Mastodon

[โ€“] 0x0@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have no issues finding content on mastodon, just search and follow hashtags.

[โ€“] ahornsirup@feddit.org 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

And most people prefer content algorithms. Or maybe a better way of phrasing it would be they're used to and expect content algorithms. Having to actively search for and follow topics is not only yet another hoop users have to jump through (good UX has as few steps as possible to get you where you want, a good chunk of users jumps ship at every step) it also requires that they know which hashtags are being used for the content they want to see beforehand, which might be difficult for you if you relied on content algorithms before.

[โ€“] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not only that have you seen user-generated content? There is absolutely no consistent tagging whatsoever. That is like the worst way to find things because everyone will tag things differently assuming they even tag it at all

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[โ€“] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Considering Mastodon sucks from a UX perspective i don't blame them or users.

This narrative is tired, particularly with Mastodon.

All open source projects that aren't violently ruthless about pursuing profits are going to lag behind tech companies approaching social media from the perspective of a cigarette company that also is selling the capacity to rich interests to distort, artificially elevate or silence perspectives.

Should we all push for a more accessible fediverse? Of course, but what is your perspective bringing to the table that does anything other than restate the incredible material inequality in resources between the two things you are comparing?

On the contrary I think the UX of mastodon is impressively boring and functional compared to the ever enshittifying slop and paper thin future promises served up by multimillion and multibillion dollar social media companies.

[โ€“] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

And that is fine if you feel that way, but it's not going to match the majority of people and it's going to prevent the platform from ever achieving any type of mainstream status.

I personally do not agree with you, I find the ux to actually hinder usability. I do use Mastodon, because otherwise forming an opinion on it would be stupid. I regularly still struggle to find content I'm interested in on Mastodon, searching all the different instances is a pain. Hashtags are not adequate most content is never even tagged, even the stuff that is tagged might not be tagged in a way I expect because everybody tags things differently. This makes searching for Content I'm interested in very difficult.

I have to actually invest a pretty sizable amount of my time on Mastodon just trying to find something on Mastodon I want to interact with. Compare that with something like blue sky I open the app and the algorithm has already figured out what I like just from me liking stuff as it appears that I'm pretty much instantly greeted with a wall of nothing but stuff that I'm interested in in some capacity.

It's coming from a corporation that just wants to make money but the end result is that they gave me something that I was actually interested in immediately without me having to jump through a bunch of Hoops and that's just objectively a better user experience

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[โ€“] TheMightyCat@lemm.ee 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[โ€“] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also: Court of Justice of the EU @Curia@curia.social-network.europa.eu

These stopped being maintained in 2024 unfortunately:

[โ€“] njordomir@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Junkie Elmo is the correct character to use here. Why do we crave enshitification so badly?

[โ€“] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Because it's good now, bad later. Junkies crave good now.

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[โ€“] small44@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I wish people appreciated lemmy more than mastodon

[โ€“] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (8 children)

As long as we're throwing fediverse wishlist items out there, I wish the Lemmy core developers/founders didn't have such gross political views.

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[โ€“] Lemminary@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I still don't understand what inherent appeal Bluesky has. Is it the familiarity? Maybe the delusional belief that corporations are the designated social media providers?

[โ€“] GTG3000@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

You don't need to choose a server with bsky, that's it. It's just one big blob of everyone where no one really cares what kind of content or how often you post.

With Mastodon, you need to pick a server, and then there's funny things like "oh, you haven't posted for a while, we're blocking your account" or concerns that the server you chose may decide you're not fitting. That and mastodon.social wasn't available to register for a while as I recall.

Add to that the fact that your instance may not be federated with whoever you're trying to share stuff to. Meanwhile with bsky it's just "do you have bsky yes or no".

People care about ease of use way more than whether it's corporate or not.

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[โ€“] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

It's easy to use

[โ€“] TeddE@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

It's simple kinda - one has a marketing team. Lots of wonders the power of spin and hype can do for you.

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[โ€“] ICastFist@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't understand why govt institutions don't just band together and use one of their many already running servers and add a mastodon or similar instance, so they won't ever need to worry about their shit being taken offline

Like, get all federal agencies and currently serving politicians to post on the govt-run mastodon, instead of bsky or xitter.

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[โ€“] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Some people don't want to hear this but Mastodon will never be mainstream without major changes. Even Mastodon users are all on other platforms. I'm not planning to go to Bluesky tho.

[โ€“] turtle@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

I'm not on any other platform except Lemmy and Mastodon. Well, I'm on Facebook but only to find events nearby and have been considering deleting it for a while.

Mastodon and Lemmy are better off not being "mainstream". There's a huge amount of crap that comes with being that.

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[โ€“] DemBoSain@midwest.social 15 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I'll say it again and again and again:

The fediverse is hamstrung by the need to choose a specific server.

I remember trying to help people join Mastodon when Musk bought Twitter. Every question I heard was about picking a server.

What's a server?

Why do I have to pick a server?

How do I pick a server?

Then there were the more thoughtful questions.

What happens if the server I chose goes down?

What happens if someone chooses the same user name as mine on a different server?

Mastodon, Lemmy, etc. won't get mainstream traction until someone solves this simple hurdle.

[โ€“] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

The first time someone told me about mbin/lemmy, I had that exact issue and just gave up on it for a few months. This is especially true as there doesn't really exist any account migration (nor, probably, can there be one without any kind of centralized auth server or the like). I finally did move over, but two of the instances I used just shut down, one with basically no warning.

[โ€“] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And they don't even say server but "instance". Like need special words to keep the unwashed out.

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@Sunshine The EU commission is on mastodon though, over at @EUCommission :GigaChad:

@liiwi

[โ€“] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In my opinion it's not bad to have a diverse landscape with different options. I believe the best course of action for many institutions should be to use both of these options simultaneously. Any organisation with a social media, communications or other type of public relations team should be able to set up a crossposter easily enough.

[โ€“] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago

In my opinion it's not bad to have a diverse landscape with different options.

Not with Comms tools. We had this in the 90s with email and the various walled gardens like CompuServe and AOL. You couldn't talk to your friends if they were on another system.

Mastodon is SMTP for micro logging. Different servers is fine, but they all need to talk to each other.

Lemmy is NNTP. It's just the same thing reinvented 30 years later and lower latency.

[โ€“] schubidubiduba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But they don't. Organisations seem to be unable or unwilling to have a presence on multiple sites, or at most they seem to choose either X+BlueSky or X+Mastodon

[โ€“] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Every extra platform costs time to take care of.

[โ€“] taladar@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

I wish fewer people would "appreciate" micro-blogging and short videos in general. It has too much of an influence on public discourse and the short posts aren't really suitable for the complex issues we face today.

I use Mastodon the exact same way I used Facebook and it works out great.

It's just posts and updates on my life and projects, and it just works. Sometimes I get feedback, sometimes not.

Photo of a meal, my cat, projects, car repairs, shit I see around. It works fine.

[โ€“] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most are still on X here :(

[โ€“] Stzyxh@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

X lost 11 million users in the EU

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@Sunshine Honestly, though, many of them should just be running their own instance.

[โ€“] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Particularly considering Facebook (I will die before I call it meta) blocked major Islamic Indians on their platforms as well as the biggest Islamic news outlet in India. Standing up your own instance on mastodon/lemmy/friendica/Pixelfed is the best way to avoid getting shut down by billionaires who kowtow to fascists.

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[โ€“] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't get why more companies. Especially ones who might be concerned with control of their content like I dunno. lets say news agencies and the like. I don't get that they would not want to run their own instances and federate.

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Especially when the Canucks account was hijacked by Elon Musk placing his crypto scam video as the top post on their page.

[โ€“] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

If something can be bought, it cant ever be fully trusted.

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