submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk
 

Hey guys!

Visa and Mastercard are the 8th and 15th biggest companies in the world, worth more than 1.1T USD (!!!).

For any purchase made with a credit or debit cards and you give them 2-3% of your money.

That's one the biggest waste of money from EU you can imagine.

I'm trying to find viable alternatives but except paying cash it seem there is no real alternative. Even in where I live there is an alternate payment service but they take the money from my mastercard, duh...

And the idea would be to have something even my grandma can use, not some nerdy solution, any thoughts?

Edit: Bitcoin would be a solution if widely adopted, but more realistic would be something accepted by every cashier machine, and if possible using the NFC of your phone, a kind of "Apple/Google" Pay, that goes directly from your bank to the bank's shop. Where I live all debit cards are either visa or mastercard...

Edit2: There is an EU initiative that seem to be starting with WERO, never heard of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Payments_Initiative

Edit3: It seem that Paysafecard and Skrill are EU solutions and sometimes proposed in the payment method, but not with STRIPE payment solutions

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[โ€“] 56 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Wero will become the replacement over time.

But for now, you're stuck with Visa and Mastercard if your country doesn't have a local alternative.

Just get the cheapest option.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 2 years ago

    Wero can win if the banks offer it with no additional cost to stores and, and this ia crucial, it offers credit and the blocking of funds for stuff like car rentals.

    It needs to be as easy a visa/MasterCard and cheaper / easier to run with the same features. I have hope, but that is a tough order.

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  • [โ€“] 51 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    China has UnionPay, Japan has JCB, Russia has MIR. Europe should have its own credit card network

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  • [โ€“] 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    "EUROCARD"

    Sounds nice as well

    Make it blue with stars on it and the globe displaying a space picture of earth with europe

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    [โ€“] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Have you looked into American Express?

    oh shit, nevermind.

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    A local debit card is your best bet

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  • [โ€“] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Maestro is part of MasterCard.

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 2 years ago*

    Maestro isn't a local system it's a limited debit card like electron for visa. Other comments are about national Credit cards. WERO is the only European network pushed by the ECB (and begrudgingly taken up by most major European banks). It piggy backs on the Free-of-charge instant wiring SEPA system.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Those still go through the bank card system.

    Use cash.

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And the idea would be to have something even my grandma can use, not some nerdy solution, any thoughts?

    Use cash

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 2 years ago

    In Canada we have Interac. Works great.

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Bitcoin uses way to much energy to use as currency like that. gridcoin or any other one that uses proof of stake would be better if accepted but its a bit nicer if the energy put into it results in a useful product which gridcoin does.

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    [โ€“] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This might not help you OP, but alternative to VISA and Mastercard is UPI. India and some south east asian countries use that for transactions rapidly. Also India also built Rupay (not the currency) to break visa and mastercards duopoly.

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    [โ€“] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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    [โ€“] 10 points 2 years ago*

    In Poland we have a local system called Blik, based on codes similar to the 2FA ones. There's also promising projects like GNU Taler, but I don't thinks that's even starting to be used already.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If you're in the Nordics I suggest Vipps/Mobilepay/Swish as payment methods.

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    [โ€“] 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Easy: iDEAL (which is a shitty system, but still..)

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

    For any purchase made with a credit or debit cards and you give them 2-3% of your money.

    I'm not sure I understand this. The stores would be the ones to pay this fee, no? Not you with your money. The price of some item doesn't change depending on whether you use cash or a debit or credit card. Not usually anyway, maybe a small local shop has done this to me once or twice in my life. Or maybe a fair stand or something.

    If we wanted to stop giving Mastercard and Visa "our" money, we would have to all band together as a world community and boycott them. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

    Please someone correct me if I'm wrong!

    Edit: I mean, yes, of course the price of those small transactions are included in the price of the item. So we are all "paying" Mastercard and Visa money, even those who aren't using them. Which is still to my point that we need to all band together as a world community to boycott them, which seems futile in all honesty.

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  • [โ€“] 23 points 2 years ago

    While the shop pays the fee, the fee is priced in and still the money ends up going to the card company based on your purchase.

    We had this topic a lot with the tariffs recently. Yes technically the tariffs are paid by the importer or exporter. Doesn't change the fact that they end up being part of the consumer price (which is one of the purposes of tariffs)

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    [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Use the Carte Bancaire network in France,we have that at least.

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    [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I'd like to know if something works for all of EU. Because that's the only reason for me to have Visa.
    Everything in my own country can be handled with "Dankort" our national universally accepted debit card. We also have local Mobile pay which is also pretty universal here.

    But those don't work for purchases outside Denmark.

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    [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago

    Contact the ECB and demand a digital Euro

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    What about just old school cash?

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    [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago

    Here in Portugal we have MB Way which is handled on a separate network. I understand that it might interoperate with Bancomat (Italy) and Bizum (Spain) also just since November, but I haven't tried yet. Almost everybody in Portugal (except non-integrating expats) seem to use it, though there are spots here and there that refuse for reasons that are unclear to me.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Just use cash.

    I get that it can be a hassle to carry around, but it's the only "real" alternative if you want to keep third party companies from profiling you based on your spending habits and selling that personal info to advertisers.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    That's not an option for a lot of countries that are going cashless. In Netherlands (we have our own payment service) a lot of merchants are cashless.

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