submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/buyfromeu@feddit.org
 

Hey! I know Proton is from the Europe. I already use thier services since many years. But I want to switch from them because of years full of disappointment. Empty Promises for me as a Linux user and also thier recent exit from the Fediverse and the CEOs Political View on Trump. I just don't really trust them anymore. Thats a personal choice and I do not want to discuss this here.

Im looking for alternatives now that are also from the EU and have similar or even better Privacy.

My biggest problem is Proton Pass probally. Because Bitwarden is from USA and also I love the Alias Feature so I would need a new Alias Service from the EU.

For Mail I will simply try Tuta. VPN I already use Mullvad.

So second Problem would be the Drive. Do you have nice solutions for an good cloud provider to save and share files?

Thanks in Advance :)

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[–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Proton is not from the EU, it is Swiss.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    wow, thanks, I'll totally consider the PCloud

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I've been using pCloud for years and it's superb.

    On a technical level or works exactly how I want a cloud drive to function - only downloads and stores files locally when necessary.

    Local cache size can be adjusted so if you work with large files you can increase it.

    UI is intuitive

    Linux client works without issue, even on immutable OS (Project Bluefin).

    Fantastic value for money. I purchased a lifetime subscription and it has already paid for itself compared to annual pricing.

    Only negative I have is although there is a open source headless Linux CLI client to work with remote servers it hasn't been updated in a while and doesn't support 2 factor authentication. https://github.com/pcloudcom/console-client

    I was able to work around this by creating a second free account without 2fa and "sharing" the directories I needed.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago*

    Hey!

    For storage/note taking I use Filen.io (German), pretty cool and affordable. Have no complaints, and they have a Linux native app also.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Nextcloud

    You can check https://chatons.org/ it's a french collective of alternative hoster that offer lots free software service. They offer nextcloud, mail and password manager i think.

    It would be great to see those initiative as chatons spread to the european union :)

    Another alternative, if you have the technical skill and time : selfhosting nextcloud.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I like Filen. German, simple UI, easy to use, 10 GB free storage.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    @p_kanarinac
    Do you know more about filen? Is this some standard protocol? Is everything open-source or just the clients? Does it have a solid userbase?

    It's tempting to try their free tier, but if the company disappears half a way into the future, it's not worth the effort.

    I use Seafile with paid hosting, Snycthing, and nextcloud. I'm tempted to try Ente for photos....

    @instantnudel

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I use kDrive from Infomaniak (their email and calendar/tasks aswell). It's not E2EE, but depending on the plan, you get access to webDAV and can use rclone/crypt and encrypt your data yourself if E2EE is important to you. If not, they offer a 1TB plan for 1,9€/month but without WebDAV capabilities. Besides, they are privacy friendly and their transparency and use of open source clients/tools makes me trust them very much. They are also very environment friendly. I have been using them for more than a year and couldn't be happier. Btw, I am not associated with them in any way.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Mailbox.org and filen.io

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago
    • for Storage: Hetzner Nextcloud: 1TB for 5€/month , 5TB for 17€/month
    • Bitwarden offers servers in the EU and is open source, alternatively there is 1Password (canadian) for 2,65€/month with a yearly subscription
    • for mail posteo.de (1€/month for 2GB mailbox with 2 alias adresses included)
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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Before I switched to using Proton Pass I was using keepass and storing my database file on my cloud drive so that I could access it from my phone. The integration wasn’t as good as Proton Pass, but I was in full control of my passwords database.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    For drive I'm going with Filen, they have very affordable lifetime plans that you can use with subscription if needed. It also works as a Google photos replacement but I'm looking for a better replacement for that (immitch probably). I'm also planning to use multiple services to use free tiers across them. No need to put everything on the same basket.

    For pass I use 1password still, couldn't find an alternative that I liked.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    If you're using linux and are not averse to using command line tools, there is pass (https://www.passwordstore.org/) – a password manager using just standard unix tools, storing your passwords locally as gpg encrypted files. On android I use it with termux. Works like a charm, and can be easily synchronized using any file synchronizing tool of your choice.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    @instantnudel
    Bitwarden is from the us, but #Vaultwarden is open-source and you can find a European hoster.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Hey there! I have similar thoughts, so I cancelled my plan to upgrade to Proton premium. I will still use their email (for less sensitive lists, job applications, etc). For storage, I chose Filen (Germany). For main mail and calendar, Tuta. I'm still looking for a BitWarden alternative myself.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Pass replacement: 1Password is from Canada. Has worked great for me for many years.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I've heard good things about pCloud

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I use Infomaniak from Switzerland, it's not privacy focus, but it's the closer to a gmail type of service. It comes with a full suit of apps and it's free.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    While Bitwarden's Company is based in USA Bitwarden is fully Open-Source and you have the Option to Choose from US and EU servers, technically you can even host it on your own. So depending on how strict you are with the no US product policy this could still be an option. (actually Bitwarden is even listed on the european-alternatives website)

    Here also the full list of Password Managers of the European-Alternatives website:

    Padloc - Germany - Open Source

    Proton Pass - Switzerland - Open Source (well you want to switch away from it, but listing it just for the sake to list every password manager of the EU Alternatives website)

    Passbolt - Luxembourg - Open Source

    pCloud Pass - Switzerland

    heylogin - Germany

    Hypervault - Belgium

    Password Depot - Germany

    uniqkey - Denmark (also useless to list it because it is focused for Companys)

    Bitwarden - USA (it's still listed because you can self-host it) - Open Source

    Edit; Formating and Typo

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    How much is Proton Drive? You can get a TB storage with Netcloud from Hetzner for 5€ / month, which is quite the deal esp of you have a few friends to share the costs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    I use all-inkl.com, you can choose any domain and install Nextcloud there with a click. I can help you setting it up if you want.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    NordVPN NordLocker NordPass from Lithuania

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Mind out with Tuta. I had my account with them hacked and I completely lost access to it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Hot take: keep proton pass, if there is nothing comparable, and use alternatives for everything else.

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