It's something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they've made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn't seem true to me, or I think they're genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn't being considered.

What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?

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[–] 73 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

Both of the Linuses

Sebastian and Torvalds

Sebastian because most of the shit he's been accused of has either been fixed openly, or was proven mostly false.

Torvalds because while he can be extremely rude, he generally only does it when the person deserves to be called out. It's not like he's going off at random people. Society says he should use more tact, but the dude is literally responsible for creating and now maintaining arguably the most important piece of the server software stack globally. There's also a very high chance he's on the spectrum.

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah people can complain Torvalds was rude all day, but fuck me if the people he yelled at couldn't be aggressively disrespectful in bringing half-assed work to the table and doing damage or at best wasting other's people time.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    He's the literal "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole". But if he wasn't that way, I wonder if we'd have what we have. A nicer developer wouldn't get the same attention.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Sebastian because most of the shit he's been accused of has either been fixed openly, or was proven mostly false.

    From what I understand, nothing was proven false, but there were things that were not proven true, as in "we couldn't find documented evidence that this employee was sexually harassed", which obviously doesn't necessarily mean that it did not happen. They just couldn't find a paper trail of it happening, which is understandable.

    On the other hand, things like all the factual inaccuracies and whatnot were absolutely undeniable.

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    [–] 69 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I mean, I didn't throw out my Harry Potter boxed set just becsuse Rowling is a dumb fucking TERF. I just don't continue buying shit she profits off of, and can see tons of questionable things in her work that I didn't question before knowing her thoughts on things.

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    [–] 65 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    I like the world building in Fifth Element and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. But Luc Besson is probably a rapist and certainly a sexual assaulter. I'll watch his old stuff I already own but won't put any more money towards it nor support any new projects.

    Edit: oh, also he's not "cancelled". He came out with another movie this year or last, if I recall. 9 times our of 10, celebrities that say they were "cancelled" just had their feefees hurt by people on social media.

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Also a pedo. From his wiki page:

    Besson's second wife was actress and director Maïwenn Le Besco, whom he started dating when he was 32 and she was 15 after having met three years earlier.[46] They married in late 1992 when Le Besco, 16, was pregnant with their daughter Shanna, who was born on 3 January 1993.[47][deprecated source] Le Besco later claimed that their relationship inspired Besson's film Léon (1994), where the plot involved the emotional relationship between an adult man and a 12-year-old girl (played by then 12-year-old Natalie Portman).

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    Kevin Spacey is a fantastic actor.

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    [–] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (14 children)

    Neil Gaiman. I'm extremely depressed that he's actually a POS, and because I loved his work so much, I'm conflicted. His work itself seemed to have well interrogated values woven into it's fiber, but I guess you never can tell.

    Edit: really fucking bummed about Red Hot Chili Peppers too

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    man, this was the worst. but he's not getting another dollar from me, the bastard. at least he's not fighting Terry Pratchett's estate over Good Omens.

    https://bleedingcool.com/comics/terry-pratchett-estate-removes-neil-gaiman-from-good-omens-kickstarter/

    speaking of which, Terry seems to have been just a great guy and was better than Neil anyway. It's really helped me to let Neil go.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    This broke my damn heart. His work seemed to have the values I hold dear and be so insightful and then… he’s getting in the bath with girls who depend on him for housing.

    I am thinking that power corrupts. I came up with that but you can use that phrase if you want.

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    [–] 53 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    michael jackson made incredible music. i don't even know how much of the stuff about him is true but it does feel weird listening to his stuff now, even though it's extremely well made.

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    [–] 45 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert. I have several of his print books and still enjoy reading them; ditto his old cartoons. They really spoke to me years ago, as a cubicle-coder.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    hey, read the books you already own all you want. that doesn't put anymore money in his pocket.

    being "cancelled" doesn't mean we stick our fingers in our ears and act like it didn't happen. it just means being conscientious about funding the lives of people who are actively making the world a worse place.

    this is a critical detail that I think people often miss

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    [–] 36 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I don't enjoy or like public figures. Having never met them, I cannot like them. I do enjoy the works or products of some people, and knowing the person(s) who created something can influence my chances of consuming it.

    There are some people who have done, or accused of doing bad things, but they have created works that I enjoyed.

    AKA, I never "liked" Neil Gaiman. But I do like American Gods.

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    I kind of think that Lovecraft was doing about the least-worst thing he could with his absolutely massive trove of neuroses and phobias, which definitely included racism and xenophobia.

    He was convinced that the universe was chaotic and horrifying and that the only thing we could hold on to for stability was racial purity, and that's pretty fucked up, but he turned those feelings into spooky stories about interdimensional space monsters, which is certainly a lot better than writing political tracts or trying to convince everyone that the Armenians are actually to blame for all of our problems.

    Therapy would have been even better, but writing spooky stories was better than some of the very real alternatives that other people were exploring in the 19-teens and twenties.

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    [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (20 children)

    I really liked Chappelle show, but he's really gone bad the last few years being anti trans and all. To say he's canceled is a bit much, though. He's still rich and popular, and selling tickets.

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    [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Lawrence Krauss did this awesome video about global warming for "skeptics" and deniers and it is so good

    Only problem I can't really share it because anyone who googles the name learns he's all over the damn Epstein files

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=lApLD5g1Nrs

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    [–] 22 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Bill Cosby is a monster, but his stand-up special "Himself" is a master class on comedic story-telling.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago

    Privileged white folk really don't realize how much good Bill Cosby has done for poor kids. He contributed an insane amount to the community. He supported schools programs financially and helped a whole generation of black folk.

    And when the news came out, you better believe we were all in the 5 stages of grief.

    Just a complete 180 on his entire body of work. Like finding out Batman used homeless people for target practice. Or Jesus was a sith lord.

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    [–] 20 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Die Antwoord. The music tickles a particular part of my brain, but they're accused of some truly heinous shit.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    I have a weird interest in South African rock music. I would buy SA CD compilations on ebay and discogs Nd listen to all the cool SA bands. One of them had a track by an artist called Max Normal. The track fucking slapped. No one in the US has heard of these SA artists I listen to. One day I mention my interest to a coworker and he said something like "oh man, you should check out Die Antwood." So, I did. I'm reading about Die Antwood and I had a holy fuck moment. They were the same artist on that compilation CD. They changed their name to Die Antwood. The artist of an obscure track on a compilation CD I have went on to become an internationally known artist. I also found out they are pretty shitty people. Life is crazy sometimes.

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    [–] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Never meet your hero. There are some well known people out there that are great human beings, but just as many who are average or below, and being a celebrity won't help a bad personality get better (usually).

    Not only for the reason to keep the illusion, but if I saw someone famous in public I wouldn't be that annoying fan that helps push some to the edge. At best I'd just mention I liked their work (not even saying specifics) and let it be. Again, they are people, and I know I don't like to be bothered with small talk from strangers.

    A side note that is a bit related to breaking the false image. When you figure out that your parents and other relatives are just people too, with their own greatness and flaws. It's probably healthy in the long run, but the first shock can be nasty.

    I guess I should name someone. Tom Cruise is always the first in my mind. Some incredible work, but he's both weird and given how embedded he is with Scientology, can't be that great of a person to know well. But maybe not... he is peculiar though.

    I would love to meet the cast of Andor and Tony Gilroy, they seem amazing, intelligent, and down to earth. But going back to my point, at most all I'd be doing is telling them how great they were at their job, and hope that what they portray in interviews is who they really are.

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    [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It always gets me that Matthew Broderick killed two people in a car crash and got off with a $100 fine. I love Ferris Bueller's day off, and I think he's really talented, but like this happened just after that movie, and he just did not seem to be held to account for it.

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    [–] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    Probably performers like Jared Leto and Marilyn Manson. They've made some great albums (A Beautiful Lie and Antichrist Superstar) and movie appearances (Requiem for a Dream and Lost Highway), but I understand why they give people the ick.

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