Smart TVs with an internet connection: Lets grab screenshots and send them to cooperate analysis advertisement department.

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[–] 123 points 9 months ago (15 children)

It's going to get to the point where we'll need 3rd party open source OSes for every device in our homes.

"Your toaster is spying on you, use ToastOS instead."

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I still believe this leaves a good market for a brand to just make privacy focused TVs.

    If I’m buying a $1000 TV, I would pay $1100 if it means it’s just a screen and not smart.

    The only obstacle is enough people wanting this.

    Considers how much the average person cares

    Maybe it’s a fantasy.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    The problem is you can just buy the $1000 TV you actually want and a $50 Android TV box to get the best of both worlds.

    Now if only there was better competition on that Steaming box front.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    You can already do that. Just skip the WiFi step in the setup then plug your own box into the HDMI port.

    Google TV, WebOS and Tizen models let you do this, only Roku and Fire TV don't AFAIK.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    You're not too far off: there are water kettles and rice cookers (Xiaomi) and vacuum cleaners with app support (and definitely not collecting telemetry...)

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  • [–] 91 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (28 children)

    It can't send screen shots if it doesn't connect to the internet. I own an LG TV and it's never been connected to a network.

    For those of you who need it:

    1. Press the Settings button on your remote (the gear icon).

    2. When the side menu pops up, select Settings.

    3. Choose the General option.

    4. Scroll down and select System.

    5, Select Additional Settings.

    1. Toggle Live Plus off.
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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    Plenty of TVs are capable of radioing your neighbour's TV and piggybacking off their internet connection, so if it's not in a Faraday cage, it might be overconfident to say it's never been connected to a network.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    Not OP, but I have heard that some smart TVs do automatically join open networks. Whether it's true or not, I can't say.

    But if it is true, I would imagine it would vary between manufacturers and even specific device models.

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You're going to need to provide some evidence for such a claim. That doesn't even sound legal.

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not OP but I think this guy is remembering a scene from silicon valley, not from reality. That said it's probably not that far off. Amazon smart devices absolutely have this "feature" in production today-- and it's opt-out, not opt-in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    Thanks for that. Just another reason to be glad I've banned any Amazon devices in my house. It's already insane enough to me that people literally have to think before they speak in their own homes to avoid accidentally triggering the always-listening robo-creepy-spy in the next room.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Interesting. But my house basically is a faraday cage. I have no signal outside it from my wifi or any of the others because of the way they were constructed. I have to have wifi repeaters indoors and a mobile repeater setup to get cell coverage inside.

    So I guess I'm lucky in that respect.

    But all in all this is good information for people to know including me. Thanks for that.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I also have an LG TV that I do not connect to the internet. How have you solved the problem of it frequently harassing you to recalibrate the screen, and connect to the internet?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    I haven't but that's probably because I don't use it to do anything that would require that. Like. Everything (switching inputs, volume etc) is handled by my receiver. The devices that are hooked up to the receiver all have their settings on device.

    It may also depend on what firmware your TV came with and what model you have?

    Sorry I can't be more help.

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    [–] 89 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I basically just assume that anything which is closed-source, networked and has sensors of any kind is a spying device. It's easier than evaluating each one individually.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago

    It's called Live Plus.

    If you've never heard of Live Plus before, it's a feature on LG smart TVs that uses ACR (automatic content recognition) to analyze what's displayed on your screen (via The Markup). LG then uses that data to offer "personalized services," including content recommendations and advertisements.

    [...]

    On Samsung smart TVs, for example, you can disable targeted ads by going to Privacy Choices, selecting Terms and Conditions, and toggling off Viewing Information Services and Internet-Based Advertisement Services. On Roku TVs, ACR can be turned off by disabling Use info from TV inputs, which is tucked away in the settings menu under Smart TV Experience.

    Saved you a click.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Rule #1 Do not connect tvs to wifi.

    Problems solved.

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    [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    LG doesn't make disabling Live Plus too hard, though you do have to click through a few menus. If you want to turn it off, here's how:

    1. Press the Settings button on your remote (the gear icon).

    2. When the side menu pops up, select Settings.

    3. Chose the General option.

    4. Scroll down and select System.

    5, Select Additional Settings.

    6. Toggle Live Plus off.

    In the Settings menu on its TVs, LG says, "By turning Live Plus on, you understand that the content displayed on your TV can be recognized, and that the viewing information may be used to provide you with an enhanced viewing experience and personalized services including content recommendations and advertisements."

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And then fingers crossed. Since you don't know if this option is doing something at all. After all their source code is not open source.

    Anyhow.. Have fun. Good luck. And it's better to fully disconnect your smart TV from the internet and wifi. And just use your own home theater computer with Linux. And don't use any of their smart features or apps.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I've decided my next TV will be a Digital Sinage Display.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I'm in the same boat... Somewhere out there, there MUST be a high quality panel with good contrast, viewing angles, and motion, WITHOUT the spyware garbage in it.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    Modern electronics and computers are a nightmare.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I have an LG "Smart" TV, but because I don't use it much (view the News in the Public TV and little more) I never connected it to the WiFi, so offline this Live Plus is irrelevant for me.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Not necessarily. Manufacturers have been known to use ad-hoc networks to find a path back home.

    For example your neighbour gets a smart tv and connects to the internet. Now your smart tv connected to your neighbours and phones home.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    For what we see nowadays in TV, I often thought to substitute it with a Fishtank, smarter content, HD 3D, true color and no spyware

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Enough is enough. If I ever buy a TV, I will personally tear out anything even remotely resembling an antenna (including destroying PCB antennas).

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