meme, the hardest things in the world: diamond, obsidian, vibranium and getting a Gentoo user to install a new piece of software

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[–] 58 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Bloatness is just an excuse to avoid all the problems of installing a new program in Gentoo.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Please, tell me they don't have to compile everything.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That's kind of the point of Gentoo. Though it's not as hard as it sounds, the package manager (emerge) pretty much does it for you. It just might take a while.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Now is like 10 years if not more, no?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    They've had individual -bin versions of a few big builds, like firefox, chromium, and libreoffice for basically forever.

    They had something called distcc for a long time too. That let you, the user, cross-compile packages on one machine for installation on different machine(s).

    But at the end of 2023, they dramatically expanded the system, adding configuration machinery to install $packagename from source or binary (i.e. not like firefox and firefox-bin). And they set up the server infrastructure to host a much larger number of official binary packages for amd64 and arm64. Around the same time they added a "distribution kernel" as an ebuild, so users no longer had to "compile it yourself". And I think the dist-kernel is now available as a binary.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Hang on, what? You're talking about the extra time (and electricity), or do you think it's in any way difficult/error prone?

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago

    Anything that isn’t the bootloader is just bloat

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Obsidian in this context is as fictional as vibranium.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Tbf one of these things is fictional: Gentoo users

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Funnily enough, the one irl Linux user I've met used Gentoo. I originally assumed they used arch.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Former Gentoo user here. The thing I have in common with the other former Gentoo users I know IRL (a whopping 2 of them) is that none of us have the time for it anymore.

    So if I ever find myself having too much free time, you bet your ass I'll reinstall Gentoo.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Who says obsidian is hard?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I remember having a Gentoo install, seeing the wiki for how to install steam, and just dual booted with Bazzite.

    I'll try again another time

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    [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    i was expecting a dumb joke like 'my d*ck' or something but agreed

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I've never had high end machines but I don't remember installing being a chore on Gentoo even 20 years ago. Just

    emerge openoffice

    And let it do its thing in the background

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    How hard is it to install gentoo anyway, and how would someone install anything on it. I've literally never used gentoo and the only distros i've used are linux mint, debian, fedora (not my cup of tea), arch (archinstall) and EndeavourOS (current) so i'm curious about the world of gentoo

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Installing Gentoo itself isn't really any more difficult than Arch. Though I hear Arch has some easy way to install nowadays. It's kinda like installing Arch the old fashioned way.

    At the end of the day if you follow the official installation guide, you'll be fine. If you miss a step, you get to learn valuable troubleshooting skills.

    Installing anything is as easy as sudo emerge firefox, waiting for an hour for some obscure part in the compile process to fail, giing up, and doing sudo emerge firefox-bin. But tbh outside of browsers, most things compile fine unless you have esoteric optimization flags in your compiler config (-ffast-math breaks AV stuff for an example).

    Ah and at some point you'll go "Hmm this six core CPU isn't enough, I need to upgrade to 16" because most of your packages will be compiled from scratch. And every update also compiles the same packages again (the ones that need to be updated, not all packages. Unless you specify that).

    So why do it? It's fun, great learning experience and you can customize how your software is compiled (specify your CPU microarchitecture for compiler optimizations, use unsafe optimization flags if you want, use the USE flags to straight up leave functionality you don't need out of software). Also bragging rights.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Heh. I wish my work were closer to hardware level, so that playing with compilation actually made some sense. If there is a kind soul here, please do tell me: does Gentoo look like it will still be around in some 10-15 years? I would hate to be too late to hop on the bus

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Couple days ago my Arch (btw) tried to update gcc by building from source. I started the update, went and made myself dinner, ate it, cleaned up the dishes, and it was still building when I returned to my PC. How do people live with Gentoo I will never understand.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Diamond = easily shatter

    Obsidian = fragile

    Vibranium = fiction

    Really?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Or NixOS. I just opt for a VM these days.

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