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Fascist paramilitary invaders may use lights to impede recording and legal observation while abducting people with legal status (Oregon - date unknown) (cdn.social.linux.pizza)
submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world
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Even if they want to obscure your ability to legally record, speak to your recording device and say what you can see. document using the SALUTE method. Pass SALUTE info to the rapid response network you are a part of.

Size: How many agents/ officers?

Activity: What specifically are the agents doing? If someone is detained and you know their A number and/or DOB, note it.

Location: Give an exact address or intersection and in NYC, a boro. The same address can be found in multiple boros. Include Av/St/Rd etc.

Unit(s): What letters, details, or patches are visible on the uniforms/jackets/vests/vehicles? Example: HSI/Homeland Security Investigations/Police Gang Unit, ERO, POLICE, CBP/US Customs and Border Protection, CBP Field Operations, POLICE DHS (2 kinds: NYPD Dept Homeless Services that are NOT ICE and Department of Homeland Security, who are federal agents)

Time: What precise time did you witness this? This info should be shared quickly.

Equipment: What did agents have with them? Ex: weapons, flexicuffs, dogs, door breakers, LRAD sound cannon, vans, SUVs, etc. 

https://www.nysylc.org/ice-watch#politics

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[–] 16 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Can citizens do the same with flashlights?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Actually, people get charged with assault for flashing a light in a cops eyes.

    https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news/local/article_56716d86-29af-5023-8018-75577af52c92.html

    They've also been charged with obstruction, interference, and other contempt of cop offenses.

    Cops are not allowed to do this either, especially when it's to obscure video. It is called "prior restraint" and is an explicit violation of the first amendment.

    Now, the trick is figuring out how to press charges when they aren't even being held accountable for blatant murder in the streets.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Bike lights and some flashlights can be extremely bright. I think this would be appropriate, but I am not a lawyer.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Any recommendations?

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    • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's actually intended as a bit less pessimistic than that. Acknowledging that "law" has a place and time to mean something is not pessimism. The "authorities" aren't even obeying or enforcing the "law" right now - what are citizens supposed to think as neighbors get carted off to concentration camps? What are they supposed to do? The wringing of hands and waiting on "officials" has only proven one thing; this current regime doesn't care about "law" - just power and the ability to inflict damage. The time it takes to get these losers to "follow" the "law" is counted in irrepairable damages to families, communities, livelihoods and the fabric of moral decency. RESIST

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The wringing of hands and waiting on "officials" has only proven one thing; this current regime doesn't care about "law" - just power and the ability to inflict damage.

    It has also proven another thing: that the current system of law is nowhere near robust enough to avoid or even minimize such abuses from those in positions of power.

    It's not malfunctioning and in need of repairs and adjustments. It's working EXACTLY as intended by those designing and controlling it.

    Direct action and other forms of resistance needs to have the goal of replacing the entire system and the people in charge of it, not just returning to a more lawful and orderly version of how everything was done in 1992 like Clintonite Democrats want.

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    • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If I see shit like this I'm a lot less opposed to citizens using lights as weapons against these neo-nazi fucks. I go out of my way to oppose illegal and most forms of "legal" violence (reddit bots/employees seem to think otherwise) because down that road lies the US turning into another Somalia and … not only do I not wanna see that many people get dead, I mean, I'd really rather not die that way. (And I would be dead, no doubt, with my medical background…) But lights and sounds can go both ways, y'know?

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    • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    CITIZENS ARE ALONE. The police can't/won't help. The national guard picks the nazi side. The fascade of law and order is a media trick to keep resistance low during this fascist nazi transition. Politicians are flaccidly flailing around instead of ordering the troops in to put down illicit and racist ICE activities.
    The rules are suppised to change in November - but guess what.....

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