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They seem so good in the movies, but actually taste mostly just like straight vodka, which most people aren't going to enjoy.

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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Let's start with Vodka. What a fucking waste. Vodka, at it's best, is supposed to be flavourless. So you're already off to a terrible start. If you're asking for a Vodka Martini you're asking for Strong Vermouth.

So let's get that out of the way. You need the standard gin. Gin is delicious. There are many different Gins to choose from. Gin has actual flavor. I like Hendricks, but try and figure out which Gun you like best. Beefeater is great for a gin & tonic, might not work as well in a Martini. Try a few different options.

Now we've got Gin and vermouth. Those two work together beautifully.

Now I like a good olive. I say make that fucker dirty. Extra dirty. OLIVE ME THE FUCK UP! That's what I want. You want it straight up? Fine. I think it's packing but it's the traditional way and I won't complain. You want a cocktail onion? That's called a Gibson and I ain't complaining.

But GIN THAT FUCKER UP. Fuck off with your weak ass Vodka Martini. I don't care if it's Grey Goose or some other "fancy" shit. That ain't no Martini.

[–] AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 days ago

And make sure to use enough vermouth! None of this “wave the vermouth bottle near the shaker” nonsense. A martini should be about 1/4 vermouth as a starting point.

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

...try and figure out which Gun you like best.

A warm one, they're happiness so I'm told.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

Bang bang, shoot shoot.

[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember hearing a theory that he deliberately orders a mostly flavourless cocktail with very basic and common ingredients because it would make it easier to detect if someone had spiked his drink with something.

Standard, off the shelf ingredients means you can't just spike the whole bottle ahead of time as each ingredient is pretty standard.

He also liked it shaken because that waters the drink down more. Meaning he’d be able to sip it without getting as drunk.

But the sad reality is that Ian Fleming was likely just an alcoholic who wrote his own vices into his characters.

[–] Zaraki42@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Beefeater is straight up nasty, though... I agree with the rest.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

And you need cold ice. It should be dry and close to 0f, not wet and already melting.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Good gin is genuinely awesome and I generally don't like alcohol. Have you tried aged stuff like Slo Gin? It's quite a different treat

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 133 points 3 days ago (2 children)

James Bond was an alcoholic, with good reason. He didn't drink vodka martinis for the taste, he drank them to dull the pain and horrors of his job. As much as he drank, he probably didn't really taste the booze anymore.

The original James Bond from the novels was a dark and brooding high-functioning alcoholic, who operated at his best with a drink or two in him at all times. He was pretty useless without the drink. A vodka martini would quickly get him in the right headspace to accomplish his latest mission.

The movie Bond was reinvented to be this dashing, handsome womanizer who drank and smoked socially and was charming as hell. Basically, a 1950s ideal male fantasy. This Bond probably could've used a classier drink than straight vodka, but that's one aspect of the books they kept pretty loyal.

[–] Tiuku@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I haven't read the books. Is there any background for choosing vodka martinis in particular? As opposed to, say plain vodka. Was it just a more socially acceptable dose of alcohol?

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Vesper is James Bond's personal invention, from the very first novel, Casino Royale. It's basically his own custom twist on the vodka martini.

He explains he only has one drink before dinner, but he prefers it's a large one, ice cold, and made very well. He drinks plenty of other types of alcohol throughout the books, but he's pretty particular about this one evening aperitif.

The movies kind of latched onto it and just made him drink vodka martinis in general. Although the 2006 film Casino Royale had him order his custom invention from a bar, almost word-for-word from the original novel. It's named after Vesper Lynd, the first girl Bond truly fell for in the novels.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i think one of the reason they simplified it is that the vesper martini can't be made anymore

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

one of the ingredients, kina lillet, stopped being produced 40 years ago

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Although apparently Cocchi Americano is very close, and therefore a good choice versus the more common substitution of Lillet Blanc

I've yet to personally get my hands on a bottle though

[–] BlackAura@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Oh neat my Total Wine and More has this. I'll have to get some next time I go.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 25 points 2 days ago

2 oz vodka because much of the time, he was a spy with Russian adversaries and he wanted to blend in, also note that he doesn't specify which vodka because he actually doesn't care. 1 oz Gordon's because beneath all that he's a true red blooded Brit and he'll always proudly drink British gin. Lilet Blanc because it's not his money and he's surrounded by wealthy people so he might as well buy the most expensive vermouth in the world. Shaken not stirred because he wants the drink to be cold, causing him to drink more slowly, and because it will water it down, meaning he will appear to be drinking more than he actually is and people will underestimate him. I can't figure out any obvious subtext for the lemon twist, but it is a very classy way to have a martini. Call it a Vesper to memorialize his first love, and emphasize that he doesn't and can't have a life outside of being a spy, he's condemned to this world.

The Vesper is the best fusion of lore and a cocktail you could ever conceive and will never be topped.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

(Though he’s probably responsible for an equal amount of wasted bourbon and whiskey)

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Whisky is good, but definitely an acquired taste

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Gimme a nice peaty Laphroaig. Something that tastes like a tire fire on a football pitch

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm a whiskey drinker, and this is...accurate.

Bourbons are often described as having notes of cherry or apple, vanilla and shortbread, like the baking soda tang from shortbread. That sounds nice, like a pie.

Or they'll hand you an Irish whiskey with herbal or floral notes. It's pretty.

Then they'll hand you a Scotch and say "This one's really great, it tastes like peat moss, smoke, iodine and leather" and you hesitantly ask if they'd like to go to the hospital.

Every bourbon I've tried just tastes like corn flakes to me

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Definately a wide variety with scotch, tastes and smells with anything from cigar ashtrays, fresh mowed lawn, salty toffee, woody, honey, apples & pears.

Personally i love a sherry cask speyside. Something non-smokey with nice sweeter fruity notes, something to sip with a subtle warmth as it goes down the throat that makes you feel like you have just walked in from a cold evening and taken your coat off to sit in a nice comfy chair by the fire.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

sherry cask speyside

Love this as well. There is no shame in being honest that you want something non-smokey, sweet and delicious. Islay scotch for example is IMO for people who are, after years of smoking like chimneys, without tastebuds.

I've found I prefer Irish whiskies or American bourbons to scotch. And you know what I say to folks who like different drinks than me? Cheers!

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Yeah. Acquired from the bartender.

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[–] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

Yeah they’re vodka martinis. They ARE terrible lol. Gin is much better, more interesting with the botanicals. I usually do Beefeater gin if they have it

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If I'm not doing a small distillery gin I usually do Hendrick's.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I just picked up Drumshanbo with California Oranges and it is positively delicious, very strong nose without a strong taste, great for sipping or mixing.

Tanq 10 is on my list but every place I've visited didn't have it

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (9 children)

That's because they're watered down weak martinis. The whole reason you don't shake a martini and you should stir it is because when you shake it it chips the ice and makes it melt faster. By shaking it he's making it weaker.

[–] mattd@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you for getting that I didn't think anyone would

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[–] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I read that while the martini was his signature drink, he actually is depicted drinking champagne more frequently in the films. So just drink champagne!

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[–] hmonkey@lemy.lol 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I like them. I make sure to request "extra dirty" so I get a good olive flavor

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"Extra dirty please!"

bartender mixes the drink with his penis

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Vodka doesn't have much flavor, but the Vermouth adds a nice touch. Most Vermouth is crap, though and has a sharp edge. The Dolin Dry is more floral: https://www.bittersandbottles.com/products/dolin-vermouth-dry

As for shaking, it's a matter of taste. Vigorous shaking in a covered shaker with crushed ice breaks small shards into tiny crystals. These quickly melt, though, so it's really the very first taste where it's a bit tingly.

Toss in 3 large green olives with garlic or pimento and it's a pretty decent, hard to mess up drink that anyone can make at home.

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