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[–] 92 points 1 year ago (47 children)

Wait, is it true that you have to burn a Quran if you're going to dispose of it? I'd like to know the reasoning behind that, I bet it's interesting. Or is she just trolling the troll?

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  • [–] 152 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    The US flag code requires burning. Cremation is a thing. Burning is a respectful way to dispose of things in a lot of cultures.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Burial is also considered acceptable, AFAIK

    Flag is a pretty good comparison. Burning is the recommended disposal method, but people want to ban it and/or get very upset when it's burned

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    In my country (eu) it's illegal to burn the national flag. It's also illegal to burn a picture of the king (offence to the crown), and making a post like this but with a bible would be considered 'offence to the religious sentiments' (this is only for catholics, the feelings of other believers be damned).

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, there are a lot of reasons that I oppose laws against burning or defacing things as part of a protest by default and those are some examples of why.

    If done as part of an implicit threat, like buring with chants about committing violence it should count as part of the threating message, but not by itself as a symbol of defiance or to just cause offense.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    SCOTUS has previously ruled that burning the American flag is protected speech, but I believe they have upheld (or just not heard cases against) state laws that burning crosses is hate speech or threatening speech (which are not protected.)

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Yes, SCOTUS has consistently ruled that threats of violence are different than protesting.

    Burning a cross on someone's lawn is an implicit threat of future violence because that is the only historical use of burning crosses on someone's lawn. Burning a flag in a public space is saying you disagree with the government, which is a protest.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Burning a cross in America is not a message that you hate Christians. It's deeply associated with the racist organization the ku klux klan and their extrajudicial murders of black people.

    So yeah you can do the thing associated with being mad at a country but not the thing associated with "get your melinated skin in line as per our beliefs or we kill your entire family"

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    There was an extremely funny incident in the UK in the run up to the Brexit referendum in which a seething pro-Brexiter tried to burn an EU flag only to be thwarted by the fact that EU regulations made sure the flag was fireproof

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  • [+] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    They used to reuse books too, so it prevents someone from coming along and covering up the word of God with homicidal rabbits

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Burial, a body of running water or burning appear to be the proper ways of disposal of a damaged or old Quran.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    It seems notable that two of those three are also how many societies dispose of human bodies. As I understand it Islam is generally against cremation of humans, but at least from my outside perspective it seems like the usage of cremation by pre-Islamic societies in the region could still lead to it being seen as respectful even if it's no longer held as suitable for humans

    That said it's also kind of the exact opposite of Zoroastrian funerary practice so I dunno

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So I can just fling it in a creek?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    No, you have to do some additional steps like wrapping it in additional material or putting flowers or something that involves throwing even more stuff into the creek to show you care.

    If you only throw one thing it is littering. If you throw a bunch of stuff in a predetermined way it is being respectful.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    Interesting fact: any paper containing the word “allah” can’t be thrown away or disposed of using any other method than burning. That’s why Quran has to be burned.

    This is done to prevent the text from coming into contact with “Nagasat” (impurities), which include but aren’t limited to: human waste, sperm, mensural blood, most bodily fluids in general, dog saliva, spirits/drinkable alcohol, swine meat/fat/anything, decomposing garbage, etc.

    I think I got most of them but I’m not 100% sure.

    Now, if your name actually contains the word, then you’re stuck here with me having to burn receipts and whatnot for your entire life.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    does that mean that if any book, mentions allah, even in as a passing mention, has to be disposed by cremation? or that rule only applies to specific religious texts?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Anything. Like if someone wrote my name and phone number on a piece of paper they have to burn it when they’re done with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    so if a pulp fiction novel mentioned allah somewhere, does it has to be treated specially?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Most Arabic literature avoids using the word outright unless it’s dedicated to the topic. Even Islamic books often refer to god by other names (e.g the creator, the merciful, the god of gods)

    Fictional books are even less likely to use the word.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What happens if someone writes blasphemies against Allah, citing him by name, on a piece of paper? Does that still merit all the pomp and ceremony, or can it be thrown in the bin?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Stupid thought exercise

    What about different media

    1. Stone. Can a just send a Muslim I don't like huge cement blocks with the word allah edged into them and they will have to keep them as there is no save way to discard them

    2. Digital. The servers of sh.itjust.works now contain the word allah. Does the word come into contact with the pictures of dog shit that are also saved on the server. Is it OK to delete the servers or will they need to be burned down as well

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
    1. What if someone shouts "Allah!" very loudly through a speaker and the vibrating air, which is now carrying the word "Allah", touches the butts of two gay men having gay sex gayly. Has the perspn who shouted committed a sin by not acoustically isolating the sacred name from gay tushies?
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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Ya'll are just describing why religion always fails at it's purported task of making a better populace. When rituals and ceremony take over from the psudo-philosophy and self-reflection, you get BS pointless rules like these that then go on to harm all other aspects of the religion.

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  • In my particular sect of Islam (I’m no longer practising), we dispose of religious texts by putting them in still water, at least until the ink dissolves and the paper turns to mush. In other places, for example certain places in Pakistan, the only valid disposal is by burying, leading to massive caves filled with millions of Qurans and other religious texts.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm so very disappointed that our Muslim cousins have been lead towards such arrogance as to call our god Allah. It's disrespectful and intolerant behaviour, and unchristlike.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I know you’re trolling, but for anyone else curious: the word “Allah” means god.

    We have two words for deity: “Elah” (often in polytheistic contexts), and “Allah” (in the Abrahamic monotheistic sense)

    Both words mean “god”. The word Allah is more specific in that it implies monotheism. It has no plural form. Semantically it means “the one true deity”.

    The closest analogues are the Hebrew Yahweh/Jehovah.

    Arabian Christians use the same word (Allah) to refer to god in their prayer and literature. Their word for Jesus is يسوع (transliteration: Yasoo’a), although the last letter (Ain ع) can’t be pronounced in English.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We have two words for deity: “Elah” (often in polytheistic contexts), and “Allah” (in the Abrahamic monotheistic sense)

    Both words mean “god”. The word Allah is more specific in that it implies monotheism. It has no plural form. Semantically it means “the one true deity”.

    tl;dr Elah means god, Allah means God

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  • And that's what's so arrogant and intolerant about the word allah. Every time it's used, it's a declaration that only one god exists. How can you love your neighbours if you attack their beliefs every time you pray? You can't. Jesus wouldn't want us saying such thoughtlessly mean-spirited things. He'd want Arabic speakers to say Elah instead.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    There was one historical context where it was disposed that way under supervision of prophet's old friends and religious leaders.

    I do also remember my religious studies teacher saying it's permitted as "just throwing to dump is more disrespectful," however you MUST not have bad intentions.

    Also not all Muslims took religious studies in middleschool curricilum and a lot of topics are debatable so people will get mad regardless. All muslims won't simply be "cool with it."

    Hope this helps!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    She is pretending the Muslims are ok with it and he is just being silly and juvenile and no one cares, but in reality Muslims have already rioted and murdered several people for it.

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