The characters in DS9 went on lots of Treks. Like the time Miles lived out decades in an alien prison only for it to really happen in his head. Or the time Miles was replaced by an alien who didn't realize he was the impostor. Or that time Miles was kidnapped and put on trial by the Cardassians. Or that time...
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DS9 has better character chemistry than the other shows. It also has a solid mix of both serious and humorous episodes.
Plus they also got that polycule thing going on at that space station
Is that polycule situation actually canon or just meme material?
I mean, there is the whole Keiko x O’Brien x Kira x Shakaar Edon situationship.
Bashir x Leeta with their open relationship at the end
DS9 had a lot of changing romantic relationships compared to other shows.
Keiko being more okay with Miles and Nerys potentially becoming a thing than Miles or Nerys were was definitely an interesting way to take that.
DS9 is probably the best-written Star Trek show, but what worries me is how many of its fans think that Sisko's war crimes are "badass" and that his worldview should be emulated. Many DS9 fans seem to think that the show's shades of grey renders the Roddenberry vision on display in TOS and TNG invalid - dismissing it with "it's easy to be a saint in paradise".
There are a lot of things to criticize with Discovery, but what it absolutely nailed was the Lorca twist. Lorca arguing about how rules are made to be broken, sometimes you gotta commit a war crime or two, and "context is for kings", was a perfect summation of the mindset of these kinds of Trek fans. So when it was revealed that he was actually from the universe where humanity had given in to this mentality and thus failed to create the Federation, that was the perfect "sci-fi twist" that Star Trek excels in.
I enjoy DS9, but not uncritically.
I remain quite annoyed by how the major driver for resolving both the Borg and Dominion conflicts hinged on a very illegal, extremely immoral thing that someone did.
DS9 had the Morphogenic virus that Section 31 unleashed, and Voyager had the neurolytic pathogen.
It being the thing that won the wars in the Federation's favour ends up implying that it would not have succeeded without either of them, and that all their talk of morality was simply pretence.
It defeats the entire point of the Federation existing, as part of them having those moral stances in the first place was that they could succeed without having to stoop to underhanded means like their peers did. It might be a harder road, but ultimately more rewarding.
Going by those two conflicts, if you're in a war with the Federation, and they don't see you as an organic humanoid, they will happily have someone attempt/commit genocide on your populace to win, allow it to happen by inaction, or reward them for it. There's no real difference between the Romulan Star Empire or the Federation, except that the Federation pretends to be moral.
Many DS9 fans seem to think that the show's shades of grey renders the Roddenberry vision on display in TOS and TNG invalid - dismissing it with "it's easy to be a saint in paradise".
It might be easy to be a saint in paradise, but the Federation is proof that it's possible to begin with. It won't be easy, but that hardly means it's impossible.
It's also one of the things about the DS9 mirror universe episode that ticks me off. "Mirror, Mirror" ended on a nice, optimistic, hopeful note, where for the Terran Empire's flaws and atrocities, being ethical was ultimately a more successful strategy, and that with time and much work, they too, could be like the Federation. DS9 throws all that out the window with "Spock's reforms softened the empire, causing its destruction", and the hopeful ending, that anyone, even the worst civilisation seen thus far, could become like the Federation, was ruined.
As it turns out, you can only be the Federation, if you're human, in this universe, with this perfect set of circumstances. Anyone else would be making a fatal mistake.
Its particularly irritating in both those cases, because there's groundwork in both DS9 and Voyager to end the war through other means. DS9's ending of the war could be done through helping/freeing the Jem'hadar, talking with the Vorta, and convincing the Founders solids aren't actually all that bad. Same for the Borg, where Voyager very clearly states many a time that what the Borg seek is perfection, and they believe assimilation to be a manner of achieving it. It would not be a great stretch for Voyager to repeatedly interact with the Borg, and eventually convince them that cooperation is a superior method, gradually pushing toward the end of the war in so doing.
Instead, what we got took the easy route, where the Dominion were forced to the negotiation table in the face of extinction, and Borg civilisation/the Collective was outright destroyed.
Its just a terribly cynical viewing of the Federation, where they can only succeed by being underhanded, or having people "do the dirty work" for them. If that's the case, why does the Federation even exist to begin with? It may as well be an empire like any other.
Well, if your biggest point of criticism is that they are not travelling around enough...
Deep Space 9 was peak Star Trek in so many other ways, who cares they're not on trek? By that measure, ENT would probably rank highest. Or even worse, Voyager.
(I didn't make this meme)
I did hear that criticism many times (e.g. they had to add in the Defiant to make the show interesting). But I agree with you.
Yeah I love the show after but ds9 vs any other shows is a depth vs breath. Ds9 had some of the most complex characters in all of star trek. Because of that push and pull between the writers and Berman. Those first few seasons let you do character driven stories and flesh out the world. Then that paid off in dividends in the later seasons when they starting doing plot driven serial stories. Plus they were not to drop a epistolic story right in the middle of a longer story arc. To give the audience a breather/ palette cleanser.
Unlike today where each season is a bloated movie where the plot is find the mcguffin that will save the universe every season. Like a crappy railroaded D&D campaign.
Eh. It's still Star Trek. I think the hangup on traveling is silly. The wormhole serves the same role as a narrative device as the warp drive. The original idea, before the Dominion War came along, was that the station would regularly have the same kind of weekly "planet of the week" encounters as other Star Trek shows. And the series does have many episodes like that, episodes like Meridian. I'm referring to bottle episodes, episodes focused on a single novel planet, culture, or ethical dilemma.
The idea was that because the station is at the mouth of a newly discovered wormhole, that the station would get that story mechanic while the characters stay in the same spot. Instead of the entire crew visiting new planets, new planets would effectively come to them. Delegations from new worlds would pour through the wormhole, providing opportunities to explore new cultures and civilizations. And Federation explorers could go through the wormhole and have their adventures shown on-screen or be discussed back on the station. An example of this can be found in Captive Pursuit.
Narratively, a wormhole functions the same as a warp drive. The story just brings the universe to the crew, rather than the crew to the universe. But narratively it makes little difference. You would think Trek fans more than anyone would appreciate that motion is relative in space.
(I didn't directly addressed you, just the opinion formulated in the meme).
I mean, I get that the show could feel a bit slow and light in the first two seasons sometimes. But on the other hand, the first thing it does is introducing Picard's perfect foil as the new commanding officer by questioning Picard and his role during the Borg crisis.
Most interesting start of any Trek show if you ask me.
Also the themes the show worked with, the character developement, even the continuation and expanding of TNG topics like Klingon and Ferengi culture and society.
BRB, wrote myself into wanting to rewatch.
DS9 had Garak.
I like ds9 cause Sisko ain't afraid to punch a mother fucker in the face on occasion.
I just noticed, exactly where did Sisko hit him the first time? It was sporting of Q to be able to feel the punches!

There’s more to that universe’s structure than exploration vessels.
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Both points can be right. DS9 WAS a divergence from the existing formula. Yes it mostly worked but they did push more exploration episodes in later seasons specifically to address this point, so the criticism was heard and acknowledged.
Setting the story on a station allowed the "trekking" to be more psychological and philosophical. Has trekking the stars changed us as much as we'd like to imagine? We're more open-minded as a result, but where are the limits of tolerance? Where are there still blind-spots? An excellent inversion of the Star Trek formula that builds out the whole "Western, but set-in-space" by playing off of something like Gunsmoke more than Wagon Train or whatever.
It's the only Star Trek where most of the trekking is done around the main characters rather than by them. But it's still relevant to the stories!
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