I really don't like nonstick pans. I love my CI and CS pans and my beloved mirror finished SS pan. I do always keep one medium sized nonstick around as they do have their utility. I replace it every two years though as no matter if it's a cheap as seen on TV one or a fancy name brand, they all loose their nonstick properties with regular use. I had enough and decided to try a non-treated titanium coated pan. I have to say, so far I'm pretty impressed. Nowhere near the performance of a freshly purchased nonstick, but a bit less sticky than SS. Where it's really shining is with cleanup. It been very easy to wash clean even when there is charring or adherence. I haven't tried yet, but I think it's going to be perfect for cold-searing. Has anyone else tried these? Does the nonstick quality fade with microabrasions over time? If so hopefully lasts longer than 2 years?

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[–] 17 points 1 week ago (1 child)

I may be a bit dense here, but isn't titanium kind of a bad material for cookware? It has pretty poor thermal conductivity. Wouldn't something like a nitrated CS be better if non-stick performance/ease of maintenance is what your going for?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I use Carbon steel, cast iron & stainless steel. No other gimmicky pans are needed. Learn how to cook & care for these 3 and you will never be unhappy. Plus they can last a lifetime. You can use metal utensils with all of these, so that's less melty plastic you are throwing away.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah me too. But if you want to cook high acid, or egg, or something quick or you are even a little behind on seasoning and cheese is involved, it really is nice to have a nonstick on hand.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago

    SS is the acid pan. And you can cook and cheese without a problem. It's a matter of learning the temperature to cook on. SS, carbon steel and cast iron all have different temperatures for the same food item. And the amount of oil varies in each as well.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    they all loose their nonstick properties with regular use.

    I try to be as gentle as I can with the bottoms, and that seems to help. I've got two that are still good after ~8yrs of use. That said, I usually make soups, stews and water-sautées rather than frying, so that no doubt helps as well.

    This one looks really interesting, altho I wonder how it would handle omelet-making.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I got a set of 4 pans and 4 pots on my wedding registry 8 years ago. Mid-range for non-sticks, and way cheaper than any other reasonable option would have been at the time. Of course, some get used a lot (usually the smaller ones) while some get used very little, but all of them are still very much non-stick.

    It's also worth noting that, supposedly, by 2015 manufactures stopped using PFOAs in non-stick surfaces. They use other chemicals instead.

    It's interesting to note that several manufacturers filed a lawsuit against Caraway this year, alleging that their advertising claims that today's non-stick coatings are toxic are incorrect.

    So that's the question. Are these non-stick coatings actually terribe, with chemical companies hiding how dangerous they are (which is very possible)? Or maybe they genuinely do not know that, and the health impaxta are the kind of subtle long-term influences that will take decades to identify solidly? Or maybe... They're actually safe?

    For now mine seem to be functioning properly. I baby them- handwash only, no metal utensils, stovetop-only, do not heat them empty. When I go to my local restaurant supply store, almost all of the pans there are non-stick, which indicates to me that most restaurants are probably using non-stick pans in my area.

    So for now I don't see a reason to throw away my existing cookware and spend a bunch of money on something new. Once they start to stick I'll look into replacing them and seeing how the technology and market place have evolved.

    I do have a couple of cast irons. It is nice to be able to use them in my oven or on my grill. Theoretically it would be nice to use them with metal utensils. But I do not buy metal cooking utensils so that point is moot. And my wife does not use them because they are so heavy. And they are a pain to clean and season.

    I'm interested in getting a stainless steel pan of some kind, mostly for searing meat. But they need high-heat to prevent sticking, and I do a lot of stuff with low heat, so I don't think I would want all of my stuff to be stainless.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Did I just read a blog post? :P
    (just kidding, good comment 🙂)

    Good point about hand-washing, which I also do but forgot to mention above. Also, use of wooden-only utensils. And I specifically avoid silicon since it's yet another polymer that likely leaches chemicals in to the food.

    Good question about the non-stick surface. Traditionally it's been very dangerous to cook if one has pet parrots in the house, as some chemical in the non-stick formula vaporises and kills ones' birds tragically quickly.

    When these wear out, I'm probably going to replace with cast iron or similar just to avoid the coating.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Allegedly this Ti is dishwasher safe!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    As for stainless steel, just heft it.

    I believe that if you practice the mastery of "scorching hot and yet not burning", and the art of "smokeless but still very hot oil", you too can have a nonstick experience but with more difficulty if wearing pajamas and sorting out the coffee situation.

    I really don't want to be esoteric like the cult of cast iron, but if you hear "copper cladding", just run for your lives! [as many as you can muster]

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I dislike nonstick. Handwash only and if it's too cheap it's not even nonstick in my experience. Enamel cast iron and regular cast iron is where it's at.

    Random $5 cast iron tortilla pan I found in an ALDI bin ended up being the most nonstick pan I've ever had. Eggs slide right off. Latest nonstick pan lasted about a month before stuff started sticking - and no, I don't use metal utensils on them. But I can on cast iron.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I absolutely adore the generic titanium pans, they're non stick as long as you get them up to temperature with some oil before adding food, but by far and wide the easiest pans to clean, plus easily replaceable handles (I know that's an odd complaint, but fuck riveted handles)

    When it comes to cleaning, use a chainmail scourer, this avoids any deep scratches, though a regular brush does as well most of the time

    And re the pans: hammered is good, hex is better; the honeycomb patterned ones have the best nonstick and easy clean properties by far. (This is an embossed/pressed honeycomb pattern, not a laser etched one)

    I did very aggressively scrape my hammered one with a metal spatula when first using it and it didn't seem to affect it, but I would still avoid doing that too often

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    [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I gave up on nonstick as well. Replaced everything with cast iron and steel, also this one pan I have which is "carbon steel", probably the best nonstick one I have. Really good properties once seasoned.

    Glad to be rid of Teflon that keeps flaking off after a while.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I've cooked with cast iron for many years, and a few years back, I got a carbon steel pan. Depending on what you buy, they come coated in beeswax that you need to melt off before you season it.

    My thought was to handle it the same way I do cast iron (tiniest whisp of oil + hot oven through a few repetitions). I decided to follow the instructions that came with the pan, though, instead, which were horrible. They said to put like a cm thick layer of oil in the pan and bake it smoking hot for a little while. I ended up with the patchiest season ever, and I keep hoping it will work itself out, but honestly, I should have just stripped it back to bare metal right away and done it properly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Wow, okay, interesting. Yeah I have another pan that is like a foldable camping pan, and it was coated in some stuff, indeed. Haven't used it much, but my now-seasoned carbon steel pan is my go-to, mah boi, my homes. Things just do not stick to it. 😄 And when I wash it with hot water, the water just beads and runs right off after the fat and oil has been cleaned off. It's beautiful.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    have you tried carbon steel? really great once you season it and usually pretty cheap compared to other non-stick pans and last forever. only catch is just a bit of maintenance like a cast iron and i generally use stainless if it's really acidic food like a tomato sauce. though even if it starts to become sticky a coat of oil and throwing it in the oven often repairs it.

    i haven't used a titanium coated pan though, curious if anyone has experience with both?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago*

    Yes, all the time. Sorry for the abbreviation. CS

    This is probably similar to slightly less nonstick to a really well seasoned CS. I find CS needs a little more attention than Cast iron to really keep it nonstick. Difference here though is that Ti does acid, cleans easier if you do get adherence (no one is perfect), and can even go in dishwasher.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    So hows its supposed to work. is the titanium coating more resistant to dings and wear or something so its supposed to preform like new for longer???

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago

    Yeah assume the ti is inherently less bound to sticking that SS and they claim the pattern on the pan helps somehow too. Admittedly I'm a little afraid I'm being had which is part of why I posted to see what the critics here have to say.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    I wanna know that too - are titanium coated pans any better than regular ones after a year of use?

    I've seen mix reports, mostly that the extra non-stick (over regular steel, which is still good) doesn't last & you are left just with the better optics.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Titanium pans do seem promising, Kenji seems to be a fan. Until they're a little cheaper I'll stick with cast iron and stainless.

    Stainless can be incredibly nonstick by the way - but you have to pay attention to the heat. If a bead of water skitters across the pan, it's ready for your oil and whatever else. You can also season them, but it only lasts for one cook!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    but it only lasts for one cook!

    Tell that to my oil stain that resists all soaps and acids. Turns out if you get the pan hot enough to warp it nothing will remove the seasoning!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Interesting approach, I wasn't aware of any recipes that require you to approach the melting point of steel. Have you tried Barkeeper's Friend?

    Edit: Forgot about pizza, explains why mine are so mid lmao

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    You are what you eat, as they say. How else am I to become the man of steel?

    No, I rarely use that pan so I've been ignoring it but I'll give that a go if I come across it in a shop. Ta!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    Any pan is non stick if used correctly. People blast too much heat.

    Hot pan, cold oil is what they teach in cooking schools, and professional chefs don't coated pans unless they are selling them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVJwOjMOlBY

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Any good brands to look for?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    Not in front of it but I think it's vovic or something similar. They claim no treatments just titanium.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    I searched it and luckily it turned up. You were very close - it's VocVoi, for anyone following. They're a bit pricy, but it seems worth it if they last longer than the nonstick I've been having to replace every 2-4 years.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago

    Yeah I have some healthy skepticism, but at least it's not a treated surface. Maybe aill report back in a couple of years!

    Ive bought a couple of high end traditional nonsticks hoping for longevity and will never do that again.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Be sure to use a wooden spatula with those because the little bumps will erode plastic spatulas and send those particles right to your testicles.

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