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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

What would happen if you did the equivalent of feeding your A.I. a healthy diet, then run a parallel system and fed it only burgers and pizza and Doritos?

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

you could probably get more energy burning a burger in a generator, than eating it. BM

[–] Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 21 hours ago

Nothing, cos energy is energy

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My shit ass wetware needs to lock in and catch up. It can't even run Doom or play back Bad Apple properly.

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Visualise playing Doom in your head. It's free, and the cops can't stop you.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

"You wouldn't imagine downloading a car, would you?"

Well? Would you?!

.....?

ANSWER ME!!

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 144 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (25 children)

If you ever study biochemistry, it leaves you absolutely in awe. The best engineering we can do is pretty amazing, we have computers and airplanes and all this magic stuff, but the stuff in you is a hundred, a thousand times better made. It's stunning. Comparatively speaking, it is perfect. And that's only the stuff we understand. The stuff in your brain, we do not.

[–] flippinfreebird@lemmy.today 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember a quote from Civ along the lines of "if the brain was simple enough for us to understand, our minds would be to simple to understand it."

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

It's a pretty trivial informational paradox for a mind to comprehend itself -- comprehension of its comprehension of itself then needs further comprehension... So yeah. Only a much more complex mind can understand a given mind

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fact that we only recently mapped out the brain really tells you a lot about its complexity.

[–] socrates@slrpnk.net 6 points 20 hours ago

And that was only a fruit fly brain! Human brain still hasn't been mapped.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Antivirus protection could be better, though. Oh, and the built in self destruct is kind of a bummer, too.

[–] dukatos@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

It is a planned obsolescence.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Figernails are so annoying

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 4 points 23 hours ago

Rip them off.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

If you ever need to claw your way out of a heap of rubble, you'll be thankful for them.

[–] MHLoppy@fedia.io 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the relatively short amount of time we've had with computers we've made pretty astounding progress though. If we had had a few million years to improve those silicon brains I think we'd give evolution a run for its money!

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yea, our engineered stuff might be simplistic compared to the brain and biology, but evolution is just a combination of luck, randomness and "unguided" trial and error. There's no "thought" to evolution and that's why we end up with all these....weird quirks and flaws LMAO

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago

those quirks are all features, i swear

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Natural selection is essentially just a massively parallel Monte Carlo optimization algorithm that's been running for billions of years. It's so simple yet produces such amazing complexity.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Give it a few more billion and we'll finally have an intelligence, that's not hell bent on destroying itself.

[–] 8baanknexer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think this might be a case of expecting a fish to climb a tree. Brains are terrible in fp32 performance, and computers are so far not great at reasoning. But that's mostly because they are made for different things. I'm not sure of this, but i would expect a single neuron firing costing a similar amount of energy as a single transistor firing. The difference is in part that they work differently, but I think the most important part is that they are put together differently. Computers were made for arithmetic while brains evolved for socialising and survival. For most other things you are 100% correct though, we could not recreate a bee or an ant even if we wanted to.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I can create real time visual imagery with no apparent resolution limit or perceptible frame rate including audio and a soundtrack.

[–] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

Oh, your brain is amazing, sure. Buuuut get Neuralink and let me plug my game in while you try to render the raytracing from foliage collision and I'm pretty sure you would crash like a Windows RT.

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

Apparent and perceptible are the key words here. Your brain makes up pretty much everything and pretends it's the real deal. Detail and consistency really aren't all that great actually, much like ai video generation

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lotta people have a resolution limit and use glasses to compensate

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago

Not in their minds.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hold my nanostructured beer.

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

My brain has the same power draw as a Switch 2? This explains a lot...

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 59 points 1 day ago (8 children)

This article estimates that GPT-4 took around 55 GWh of electricity to train. A human needs maybe 2000 kcal (2.3 kWh) a day and lives 75 years, for a lifetime energy consumption of 63 MWh (or 840x less than just training GPT-4).

So not only do shitty "AI" models use >20x the energy of a human to "think," training them uses the lifetime energy equivalent of hundreds of humans. It's absolutely absurd how inefficient this technology is.

[–] proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

I think you underestimate how much time and energy it took to get us to this point. Like, billions of years of evolution to arrive at a brain as efficient as ours.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Human energy needs are incredibly variable so the estimates for normal consumption are wrong for most people, but when you get into essential systems (basically cardiovascular and nervous, not even including digestive or any muscle movement) you actually need even less - the average (by weight, height & age) man needs 1950kcal or so and the average woman (by height, weight & age) needs 1450kcal or so

When we replace AI with brains in jars I'm sure we can cut it down even more though

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 14 points 1 day ago

A human needs maybe 2000 kcal (2.3 kWh) a day

Did you just externalise all the other inputs?

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Just connect your brain up to a monitor and imagine your game with the best graphics you can possibly think of.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Capitalism has us by absolute fools.

Paying $69.99 for something someone else dreamed up.

We have a solution for this, its called going to sleep.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think I got the shareware version where it kicks me off after a few hours.

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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Ever heard of daydreaming? A monitor is not even needed

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

Efficiency wins out.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

20% of our body's energy use is our brain, it's a major energy expenditure.

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Compared to what, >50% for a 4090 in a PC?

That's 50% of your households energy

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