cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/33936586
It doesn't solve the energy and emissions crisis we are facing but sure.
this post was submitted on 08 Apr 2025
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(the energy and emissions crisis are also byproducts of capitalism)
They don't disappear if capitalism disappears. I agree with you capitalism needs to end in order to deal with them but there are hard issues that we have to deal with even with capitalism gone.
Even if the causes ceased we would still be left with residual emissions and degraded natural systems to try and deal with and a lower EROI society to do it.
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~~all~~ ^only
Also; the reason why it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism is that ending the world actually is easier than ending capitalism.
I remember sitting in an art class where the teacher proclaimed using premixed black paint was improper: a true artist must mix their own black paint. I thought a lot about that when I first started using Photoshop and viewing digital art. I think about it now with AI.
Right now AI is a tool of MBAs who see it as a way to extract money from budgets by cutting costs on artists and writers. AI's only proper use is as a tool by artists and writers.
I disagreed with that teacher then, and still kinda do, but I understand them completely: they were focused on fostering the artistic drive of the creator and eschewing shortcuts. I just think the artistic drive includes so called shortcuts as there is no predefined or 'true' path to being an artist.
It is not just Capitalism…is is centralization in all its forms. Too much power in the hands of the few always leads to poor outcomes for the many. This is bigger than Capitalism.
And when we do that, I’ll stop fighting AI.
Unironically any good argument against AI boils down to an argument against capitalism. Every other one is horribly misinformed.
I really disagree with this meme. For just one example, capitalism isnt why people are using ai to generate nudes of unwilling people and children. Without capitalism I do very much doubt AI would be where it is right now, but the cats out of the bag and it isnt going away if we didnt have capitalism.
That is unfortunately just human nature. The tool here is not to blame, but the person using it. People were making drawings of people unconsentually well before ai, then with the addition of photoshop the issue became even worse. Now AI is just the next step in allowing humans to follow their darker interests.
But the tool is so much more valuable than that.
Ai is pretty much like as any other tool. Knife is an extremely useful tool. It can either help you cook a delicious dinner or kill a man. It all comes down to what you are going to use it for.
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People generating porn, no matter how abhorrent, is one of the LEAST problems with AI, but the fact that you are stuck on it is very telling
edit: you have no idea how bad AI is already fucking up your life and it has nothing to do with prompt art
"stuck on it" is an egregious hyperbole, they just gave it as an example.
Yeah lol, I just gave one quick example of something I felt was indisputably not tied to capitalism. But apparently I'm stuck on it and the only problem I have is with it generating porn? Wild way to read my post, and entirely untrue.
Completely untrue.
The environmental impact would still be as bad, it would still spout out misinformation, it would still scrape for art against people's will, the images would still be shit and not art anyway, and would still make an intellectual sinkhole.
If society isn't built around competition and exploitation, the usage of AI can be limited to renewable energy. Whereas now, every gram of hydrocarbon and uranium will be burned to win the race for global domination.
Great you ignored my other issues with that, but also you don't think people would collectively be using those resources? Also the water used for those ai servers isn't great.
I agree with your other points.
It depends on the type of society if people use all those resources. With AI they will use them much, much faster.
Water doesn't have to be a problem in places where there is enough water.
Can you tell me the time of the relevant argument, please.
Otherwise I would think that global warming leads to warmer oceans which should cause more evaporation and rain.
Ok, let me explain it simply then.
You remember the water cycle from elementary school? You just described it. Well, there isn't an infinite amount of water on earth. So when you take water out of the water cycle and lock it away, like in jugs of water or in cooling systems for massive computers, it doesn't get evaporated and return to the environment. It stays in its jug.
So the more people store water away, the less water we have to use elsewhere.
As for the timeline, this is already happening now.
They go into more detail in the video. It's long but it is funny.
Sorry but that humor is not my style. I would be glad if you could tell me the relevant moments.
Locking all water away, how is that possible? Have you seen the size of the Pacific?
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prove it
Ok cool make a true communist society and then I can.
sure lets just get rid of capitalism as a whole, lets see where that lands us
Yes, let’s
Problem is that AI is going to be used to make it harder to overthrow capitalism. It’d be interesting to see the uses of AI in a world where it wasn’t being used to chip away at some of the last occupations where talent and skill mean anything.
It's also going to be used to eliminate positions where "talent" and "skill" aren't required, which is where a gigantic portion of a lot of countries populations work.
When ownership decides "I own the AI that run the factory and the AI inside the Robots that perform all the physical tasks in the factory, so why the fuck should any of my profit go to pay parasites on society?" that's when we get into the "let them all starve" portion of capitalism...
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