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[–] 46 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

Best star wars content, movie or show, since Lucas sold out to the mouse. Well deserved.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    It's really good.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (34 children)

    I’m been tempted to watch it. Imo rogue one is the best Star Wars movie (including OT), is this show for me then? As in, is the atmosphere the same?

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Andor is, without hesitation, the best piece of Star Wars media ever made.

    Yes, even including the original trilogy. I said what I said.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'd say it is the best mature star wars piece of media ever made. Because I (today still, but especially my younger self) do love me some good lightsaber fights or large scale space battles, which we didn't get here. Andor not including those is for the better, but I wouldn't want to completely go without them either.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I have to agree, really brings the whole universe alive for me.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Straight up makes the OT into a different, more meaningful story. The rebellion actually has meaning, purpose, construction, and politic.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's obviously inspired by quite a few EU books and comics. Which are not worse.

    (One thing I like about it, it manages to pretend Disney sequels just didn't happen, and makes looking directly at Disney SW things optional. And makes a lot of EU references.)

    Maybe if you mean on screen, then yes. I still think it's not better than 1977 and 1980.

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  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    Hard agree. The original trilogy has some truly great moments, but nothing on the level of Luthen's "sacrifice" monologue, or "one way out."

    I consider Rogue One to be a very good, but very flawed movie (IMO the last act does a lot of work to make up for a weak middle, but the last is so very good that it actually does make up for it), but Andor is basically flawless.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Andor is a documentary about radicalization, resistance movements, and fascism set in the Star wars universe. It is VERY true to life and based on real revolutions.

    It did an excellent job showcasing real politics and social dynamics. Tons of characters and they all had depth.

    The first season is very good, the second season is, IMO, some of the best political drama ever produced. It's also highly entertaining.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It was good at all levels - not only did the characters had real human depth as did the story, but it even had details like creating a Gorman language and an actual detailed Gorman fashion, so the Production quality matched the quality of the Script, Direction and Acting.

    It's unsurprising that some (maybe many) think this is the best Star Wars ever, at least adult Star Wars.

    I saw Rogue One again just after the last episode of Season 2 and whilst they're almost seamslessly linked, you can absolutelly notice the change of pace and story telling style from one to the other: you go from a story of people in the Rebellion to an Action rollercoaster with an almost symbolic bit of background story.

    Mind you, both are a pleasure to watch in their own ways, though Rogue One is mainly "chewing gum for the brain" as entertainment goes whilst Andor is a far grander meal.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Pro tip, watch the first 3 episodes in one sitting. They go together and take a bit to get into.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I just introduced my parents to it. My dad especially is really not in to fantasy media, but he's absolutely hooked on it. They're 6 episodes into season 1. It took until about the 3rd, maybe 4th episode to really get into the swing of things, but after that it's easily the best live action Star Wars has ever been.

    Fwiw personally I thought Rogue One was extremely overrated. I didn't particularly care for any of the characters, and I thought some (especially the bizarre "I am one with the Force, the Force is with me" guy) were actively grating. IMO for a lot of the broader public, Rogue One's popular reception rests entirely on the awesome final sequence with Vader, and to a lesser extent on some of the great action leading up to that.

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  • [+] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I avoided all media about season 2 until after I had completely finished watching it and then went back and watched reviews etc. Seeing one reviewer who was watching week by week complain about gratuitous fanservice cameos that would turn out in later episodes to actually be core to the story was very amusing. This happened multiple times. To be fair to the reviewer, they didn't say it was some terrible thing, and even at least once described it as being earnt, even if it was out of character for the show.

    Spoiler: examples of the aboveThe reveal at the end of episode 3(?) that they were on Yavin IV, and the inclusion of Senator Organa (whose first episode was seemingly just a minor cameo before he becomes more important in later episodes) are the two that come to mind, but I think there was at least one more.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've read that the first cameo was just to get people to spend THAT week talking about the Benjamin Bratt re-cast so they'd be calmed down by the time he had something important to do.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think this series can be really good for people that don't know Star Wars, too. Anyone that enjoys spy thrillers and political intrigue should really get on well with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, that's exactly why I introduced my parents. I had to assure them it's a political thriller with no Force or lightsabres, and I'm explaining necessary prerequisite knowledge as it comes up (like who Mon Mothma is). I've decided not to tell them about Rogue One, but only episodes III and IV.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Don't forget about me neilson I pirated the whole thing

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    BTW, I want an unpopular advice - where to you legally get these shows as seamlessly as torrenting?

    Suppose I'm a Linux or FreeBSD user, and don't like too many steps being required due to being autistic and thus easily irritated.

    Because with Andor specifically would really want to pay for it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    surprised-pika-messed-up people want mature stories that reflect their lived experience under fascism?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Multiply that by 60 to get second. Will look even bjgger

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Thank god!

    I started it and quickly realized I needed to rewatch season 1. I was afraid that since I haven’t watched it yet that many others would have done the same.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    I guess I'm the only one disappointed by season 2? I feel like they could have cut half of it and told the same story. Nothing even came close to the powerful messaging of the season 1 prison arc.

    spoilerK2SO felt shoehorned in, the love plot felt super gross considering Cassian's last act in Rogue One is to make out with some other chick, the whole bit with Saw was inconsequential nonsense (so was the ep where Cassian was captured by those gangs in the forest), they pulled a "bury your gays" trope... plus a lot of the pacing just felt wack.
    It wasn't the worst or anything, but it was a pretty weak follow up to that great first season.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh, I didn't see the relationship in Rogue One as a love story. By the end, they just hold each other before the inevitable - I see no romance there. I can see how someone might find something there if they wanted to though.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Huh, I misremembered that last scene as a kiss, but I checked and I guess they do just hug. So at least that part isn't so bad. I think the rest of my problems with the season are still legit though

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    On the pacing: I dont mind "slow" episodes if it takes time to set mood and ambiance in such a superb way Andor does. Could also have something to do with Genevieve O'Reilly playing Mon Mothma ...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    There was such well constructed tension in every slow scene. If you were getting bored you would have to have missed some plot, be traumatized, or not be particularly invested in the series on other grounds.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Both the forest and the late added character were there to give opportunities to shake things up/lighten the mood. This was a grim, grim season and you've gotta have some of that in an 11-hour runtime.

    I agree on Saw's part; felt like something they had to get through to complete the series' connection to Rogue One. I did love the season other than that, though. "Who Are You" is one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I think the Saw parts fit in decently. It adds another flavor of resistance to the mix.

    We get the rebellion, which is an organized military like effort, we get luthen who as a spy master pulls strings in the shadows, Mon mothma straddling the line between being in a privileged public position and helping the rebellion, on ghorman we get a more amateurish resistance, Cassian is more of an individualist who finds his own path between the different factions, and with Saw we get a guerrilla like extremist faction

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The Imperial parts were also extremely well executed. Dedra, Syril, Partigaz's actors were all on point and were remarkable complex characters. We were able to see through the inner workings of the Empire ISB, not something typically told in Star Wars stories.

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