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[–] 82 points 2 weeks ago

“You are right to push back. That was a school, not a munitions dump.”

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  • [–] 54 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Making a killer drone that doesn't require human input just seems stupid. The human input is the point.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

    The argument is that drones can be jammed if they use wireless controls, and when piloted by fiber optics have limited range /can still sometimes have the fiber cut. Autonomous drones are the answer to the countermeasures being used in Ukraine/Russia right now.

    So there's an excuse but it's still horrifying

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  • [–] 45 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    This should be illegal and everyone involved should be barred from working in related fields for life. Straight to community service. Let them reconnect with humanity.

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  • The demonstrations, license, and funding come before any official NATO procurement order or actual combat deployment. Concerns about lethal autonomous weapons are being addressed by a UN expert group. Its recent report concluded that human judgment and control are required to comply with the laws of war; its recommendations will be reviewed in Geneva in November

    You should probably go to Geneva in November

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago

    Skynet Approved

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    We don't know who struck first, us or them, but we know that it was us that scorched the sky.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Need to update the Geneva convention.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    The demonstrations, license, and funding come before any official NATO procurement order or actual combat deployment. Concerns about lethal autonomous weapons are being addressed by a UN expert group. Its recent report concluded that human judgment and control are required to comply with the laws of war; its recommendations will be reviewed in Geneva in November

    Looks like they're going to look into this in November

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Huh, I will be pleasantly surprised if the same governments whose companies are developing this tech and itching to use it in Ukraine and Palestine support its ban.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I hope it's not governments that make these decisions

    Should be judges, game theory experts, activists, NGO reps, ethics philosophers, etc

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    It is governments which sign the Geneva convention, and the "judges, game theory experts, activists, NGO reps, ethics philosophers, etc" they allow/amplify are ultimately further expressions of those governments.

    We come back to "everything is political", which is 100x more true for technocratic entities that claim to just be calling balls and strikes.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago

    If y’all think this technology isn’t eventually coming back home then I have a bridge to sell you

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    What’s the likelihood that Nvidia Jetson Orin Nano can tell effectively if someone is surrendering or is an innocent bystander?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    100% chance of hallucinations and/or false negative

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Exactly. NATO states are funding the development of weapons systems which are incompatible with the Geneva Conventions.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    25 years ago swedish society would be in shambles even considering joining nato. We held citizens votes about joining eu and changing our currency to euro.

    Recently when sweden joined nato citizens got no say at all in the matter, the only deciding factor was corrupt politicians, their wallets and big brother

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    They don't care. Just another tally to add to their spreadsheet under the column titled "collateral". The Americans realized they could greatly reduce that total number with a very convenient assumption: any male of a certain age was probably in service to the taliban so they're a legitimate target.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    That didn't start with Afghanistan.

    The scene from Apocalypse Now with "Anyone who runs is a VC, and anyone who doesn't is a well disciplined VC".

    They would notify everyone in a village they had to go to the concentration camps, then designate the area a "Specified Strike Zone", where every man, woman, animal, structure, and crops were considered to be enemies. Some of these areas had arsenic dropped on them to poison the crops via Agent Blue so nobody could move back in.

    Before that, in Korea, standing orders for the airforce was to strafe any group of 5 or more civilians, because they must secretly be soldiers.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Jesus. This is going to be the tool of choice for terrorists and assassins next year.

    How the hell do you defend against this?

    Edit: I think the only solution is to build autonomous drones that attack autonomous drones.

    We should probably create a "sky battle bots" competition with Foss drones to get ahead of this asap

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    terrorists

    You mean like Israel and the US? yeah, they already have them.

    EDIT: typo

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  • I do mean like them, but I don't think they have them yet.

    Israel had been using sniper drones and AI, but I have read zero reports of them being fully autonomous (yet). The kill lists are generated and approved by AI, but the drones are controlled by humans (so far).

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Can we just start killing people who make stuff like this

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Man, I was just thinking I my Waymo was packed with explosives. They never make mistakes and should be free to bomb without oversight.

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    Theu need to ban this technology in warfare just like biological weapons.

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  • The demonstrations, license, and funding come before any official NATO procurement order or actual combat deployment. Concerns about lethal autonomous weapons are being addressed by a UN expert group. Its recent report concluded that human judgment and control are required to comply with the laws of war; its recommendations will be reviewed in Geneva in November

    Go to Geneva

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    As a linked article in the OP states, this is already in use in Russian and Ukrainian drones. Nothing particularly new, but still terrifying af.

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