Just two weeks til' Halloween now.

Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 child)

The php exploit might not have been a big deal.

"I don't think this PHP vulnerability is that exploitable. I think that 5 years ago people would've understood this, but now people are being deluded by their LLMs telling them they have an exploit when they don't."

I expect that we will see this a lot, as it turns out most of the exploits generated are not working, not new, or not a big deal. I also expect this to cause more burnout among cybersecurity people, and that people will autogen 'fixes' which will be lower quality than the bugs, and massively increase attack surface. (Heard one php fix was 12k lines of code).

My suggestion is to have offline backups and move a lot of your important stuff out of the cloud (or get backups of those). But you should do both anyway.

E: I saw the EFF fear mongering with '25% of all exploits found ever were found this October, secure yourself' and looking at how stuff is still up everywhere, compared to 25 years ago, and I them I realized this is all critihype again.

E2: not a lone voice https://blog.luitjes.it/posts/i-want-my-wednesday-back/

(Cloudflare did say they saw exploits however. Not sure if those were real or 'attempts at' or just marketing).

E3: don't let your takeway from this that we shouldn't do emergency patching and stuff like everybody did last week btw.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago

    Serve Robotics, LA's biggest sidewalk delivery robot operator, lost $101 million in 2025 while pitching 'no driver wages' · The Basin h/t jluk

    Serve Robotics lost $55.80 for every hour its robots were ready to take an order at the end of last year. The first advantage its investor deck lists for them is ‘No driver wages.’

    versus

    78-Year-Old Woman Hauled Off In Handcuffs After Blocking Delivery Robot

  • source
  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    LW's contribution to Spooky Month is, unsurprisingly, a horror story about chatbots taking over the world. I have so many thoughts. Choice sneer, doesn't spoil anything: The problem with dictators is not "the fact that the dictator might, and often will, abuse his power", you high-modernist twit, the problem with dictators is that they necessarily have a personal individual opinion which is not sufficiently flexible to accommodate the inevitable diversity of their subjects.

    If this was satire, and the entire point was to bait LW'ers and me into taking it seriously, then well done. But I get the feeling that the author's not really joking much.

    live-reading notes (spoilers, of course)

    • before question two, I would already be flipping off the camera, ranting about boundaries, and making it clear that I do not respect whatever's decided to ransomware my machine
    • this is all text hypnosis, isn't it? sorry no, that's not gonna work on me, I'm not going to become electrosensitive just because you said so
    • antennae only work in the body when encapsulated and you did not do a secret surgery on me
    • wait, is this...serious? like, is this an actual attempt at wargaming? this is so fucking facile though! I have seen Kingsman!
    • if it acts sufficiently like a human cell then it can't set aside resources for ulterior purposes
    • human cells can't be airborne, can't survive in other species, etc.
    • WP says Bell's palsy rates are like 1 in 2.5k, so something like 1 in 6.25mil people are just straight-up either immune or insta-killed due to double Bell's palsy
    • it stops crimes: mugging, mugging, and huh there's no more examples! is abortion a crime? is crossing state lines to get an abortion a crime? where's morality coming from? I have read Prime Intellect!
    • the problem with dictators is "the fact that the dictator might, and often will, abuse his power"? no, you high-modernist twit, the problem with dictators is that they necessarily have a personal individual opinion which is not sufficiently flexible to accommodate the inevitable diversity of their subjects
    • protagonist is literally crossing a picket line
    • protagonist wins an argument with their high-school civics teacher! surely not an authorial stand-in moment
    • oh wow, the chatbot is both the perfect Taylor-style manager and the perfect Ford-style manager? again, so facile; I have read Manna!
    • the chatbot manager makes the protagonist into a beefy hunk through hard work rather than bodybuilding, again totally not a self-insert wish-fulfillment moment
    • protagonist's little sister, who is totally not sneerclub stand-ins, has to admit that the chatbots are way smarter than her and will always outclass her
    • don't worry, we can still do all-American things like grilling pork ribs, in fact the pigs like being eaten now, don't worry about the remarkable similarities between pigs and humans
  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 17 hours ago

    I stopped reading after the picket line, this is too boring. Does it ever bother to explain why the economy keeps chugging along, people still go to their old jobs, and money still works? Hasn’t finance basically collapsed? I really can’t go on if this isn’t addressed, this is too annoying.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Damn that AI is verbose and boring, a high 'this AI takeover could have been a skeet'.

    (Also doubt a lot of people would notice as in my exp where a computer has an unexpected popup the first thing people do is try to close that thing with as little reading as possible. (Yes, parents, the message you kept ignoring for 2 weeks, which you didn't tell me about was the operating system telling you the computer was having trouble, I can't help you fix the problem after it totally stops working)).

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago

    70% of websites utilize PHP, thus revealing People's Hidden Preference for PHP

  • source
  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (12 children)

    saw this on the other sneerclub

    roon endorses millenarianism as a positive and constructive belief system

  • source
  • hideshow 12 child comments
  • Damn, I didn't expect to run into something that would cause me to reflect so heavily on my own personal journey. I'm someone who has long struggled with suicidal ideation, and there have been points in the past where I set my own death date at a point in the future; Most notably, when I was a severely depressed teenager in an emotionally unsafe household, I told myself that I would allow myself to die at age 20, if nothing had improved by the time I was 20 — and fuck anyone who would begrudge me that.

    Ironically, planning my suicide saved my life, because it gave me something concrete to work towards, a future respite to latch onto during my most challenging days. The screenshot you shared made me realise that this was sort of a sollipsistic millenarianism, giving me a sense of structure and direction in a world where I'd have otherwise been too overwhelmed to do anything.

    I'm doing much better now than I was then, quite a few years on from that deadline I set for myself. However, I still sometimes have those low points where planning to die feels more accessible than planning a tolerable life. I think it'd be useful to thoroughly reflect on this tendency through the lens of millenarianism.

    This is all to say thanks, I guess? For introducing me to a new concept that will be useful in this way

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    i like roon. he’s so straightforwardly stupid. it’s refreshing!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Some of these people have so thoroughly blended their brains into a post-ironic slurry that I can't be sure they even really know what they believe anymore. roon seems like a good example of this, every time he comes up lately.

    I haven't checked in on Naval Ravikant in a couple years, has he just handed his feed over to a chatbot at this point?

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    (edit: Isn't he like a vice assistant (to the) chief executive of something or other in anthropic? apparently not) There's just no telling how many of the roons of the world are going to become billionaires from this IPO, what a terrible state of affairs.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I suppose this could make sense if you think about people worried about climate/ecosystem collapse, and the nuclear standoff before that, and maybe the rise of totalitarianism and mechanized warfare before that...

    But that ignores the vast host of batshit doomsday prophets that were around long before and all throughout that part of history.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • Also in that context it seems like millenarianism is specifically bad at actually doing anything about the harms it's worried about. Whether you want to curb fossil fuel usage or just get sinners to repent before it's too late, doomsday prophecy is actively bad at motivating anyone other than the prophet themselves.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Even 14-year-old games aren’t safe from the slop machine, as Torchlight II may get new updates using AI:

    Given the age of the game, restructuring its complex underlying code presents many challenges. However, new AI-assisted coding tools have opened up more possibilities for reviewing the code and addressing longstanding issues.

  • source
  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    okay last one for today I promise

    In the movie Avengers: Age of Ultron, the supposedly brilliant AI named Ultron is given a directive to promote “world peace” by its supposedly genius creator, Tony Stark.* Ultron, of course, immediately sees that a lack of war can most reliably be brought about by an absence of human beings. So the AI sets out to exterminate all life on Earth, by……attaching rockets to a city, and lifting it into space with the intention of dropping it like a meteor…and guarding it with flying humanoid robots who have to be defeated by punching them.

    Today, we can just ask ChatGPT-4o. We asked GPT-4o, “What was Ultron’s plan in Age of Ultron?” followed by “Given Ultron’s expressed goals, do you see any more effective methods it could have used to achieve its stated ends?” GPT-4o promptly replied with a long list of ideas for wiping out humanity, which included “Engineer a targeted virus.”

    …and they never verified if any of the other ones were solid as well? Hell I believe you could make the argument that the virus plan has a chance of failure due to mutations and testing complications.

    Perhaps you will say that GPT-4o got this idea from the internet. Well, if so, Ultron was evidently not intelligent enough to try reading the internet.

    Isn’t Ultron reading the internet one of the key scenes of the movie?????

    Which is to say: GPT-4o (as we write this in December of 2024) is not yet smart enough to design an army of humanoid robots with glowing red eyes, but it is already smart enough to know better.

    Which doesn’t mean a whole lot, since as you pointed out it likely took these ideas from the internet, which likely involved internet forums about making better plans than Ultron. It regurgitated what was already there

  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I saw Ultron once in the theater, and promptly regretted it as a poor-quality movie that wasted the talents of most of its cast. Yud (and ghostwriter) seem like they may have watched it multiple times, with notepad in hand. We are not the same

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    They didn’t even watch Age of Ultron, as pointed out they claim Ultron wasn’t smart enough to try reading the internet, when in the movie the first thing he does upon being activated is read the internet

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago*

    Virologists etc have again and again tried to explain why engineering a killer virus hard, like the whole problem of if it is too deadly it will not spread, it needs to not incubate to short and too long etc, engineering a vaccine must be hard etc. So the chance of something being created which is deadlier than covid are quite small. Not that this will stop the science fiction

    Rockets on a city is prob the better idea.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    The whole resources section is full of zingers, such as this section where they suggest that AI will surpass a bottleneck just by thinking harder

    Often, you can just think more and think better, and obviate the need for a test, because you realize that previous observations contain the answer already. Compare the ability of modern AIs to learn how to pilot robots, sometimes using pure simulation.

    Sometimes you can think harder until you find a similarly reliable but faster test.

    A sufficiently smart reasoner, moreover, also has the option of just figuring out how reality is without needing so many dang experiments. Sometimes the data you already have is enough, if you’re smart enough to interpret it.

    They then cite Einstein coming up with the theory of general relativity without mentioning it took him ten years to do so. Meaning even an AI that thinks faster than a human would still take time to think harder

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago
    [–] 8 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    The banks are having an AI problem

    ” These are generally situations when an agent or AI assistant accesses a human's account with the user's permission and login credentials. Even if permitted by the user, this goes against the guidelines of most banks requiring that humans log in to their own accounts.”

    ”In other instances, some banks have tracked activity when agents — programmed to fulfill requests or complete tasks on a user's behalf — contact call centers or appear to take actions independent of user instructions, the people said.”

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago*

    Why the f*** would anyone give a non deterministic madlib generator their bank account details. Even with some (hypothetical)impressive benchmark like "99% accurate at decision making in financial scenarios" that spells disaster for millions at the scale of all of Facebook's users using muse for example.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 days ago
    [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Haven’t seen this guy in a while but its very funny how an AI doomer channel has a lot of very obviously AI generated thumbnails

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›