That seems like an idiot took the copy for two competing internal opinions and pasted them without understanding.
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Demanding you to use 2FA? Should be standard in this day and age.
As long as session cookie lasts for, dunno, months. Extended automatically.
Mandating 2FA for every fucking time you use the app, and only using email for 2FA? Special place in Hell. (I'm looking at you McDonald's)
(Could be worse. Could be SMS 2FA.)
I think it might be a bit overkill to require a login to start your car.
Also, being able to manipulate the operation of the vehicle remotely or it announcing its own location at all times doesn't exactly scream 'security' (or privacy) to me.
I feel like whoever screenshotted this cropped a following paragraph telling users to use passkeys... That's the only way this would make sense
Ah yes, the third kind of evil.
Passkeys can be kinda nifty. Restrictions on what is accepted as a valid device for passkeys and that sort of issues suck though.
You're ridiculous
Im not convinced. Considering my first examples of seeing passkeys were from Microsoft and Meta trying to force feed them to me just like they do with their AI, I'm in the camp of believing there's a more nefarious purpose behind them until completely proven otherwise. These companies are completely allergic to altruistic motives especially when it's something being pushed this hard.
In exchange for being able to check what the charge is on our car - basically, whether it's time to leave coffee shop - I get one of the most information-stealing, asks too-many-privileges apps on my phone. And it's quite hard to do without it with an electric car. Looking at you, Ford, although I understand all manufacturers do the same.
MFAA and a password in exchange for eg. an OAuth token so that you can manage the devices on your account, and then use your phone's usual security to control access to the app, would be one thing. But this looks more like the security team has made some demands, and the developers have implemented it in the laziest, MVP-compliant, way that they can.
I get one of the most information-stealing, asks too-many-privileges apps on my phone
Ford's app doesn't actually require ANY permissions other than network access to do what you said. It doesn't even require Nearby Devices to lock/unlock the car, nor start climate, set departure times, etc. Their app is actually pretty non-intrusive.
...this is thanks to the fact that the car's onboard modem is so "cloud connected" instead, so it's even more difficult to avoid telemetries! So cool, right?
This is also why I will always make sure I have a physical keyfob if I'm ever driving a Ford somewhere. It has happened way too often that when Google Cloud has problems, Ford's "keyless entry" goes down.
But this looks more like the security team has made some demands
More like the marketing team has made some demands that the information absolutely must never, at all costs, be provided in an open API that third-party apps that don't steal your private info can use.
We need so much more consumer protection regulation than we have.
To help speed up your log in experience, you'll now also need to separately log into another app in order to log into this one in addition to the current method.
It's so smooth
A lot of people in here don't understand security fundamentals.
Passkeys are not bad things. They are good things. 2FA in general is a good thing, and passkeys are a particular type of 2FA.
The principle behind this type of security is, in loose terms, "one thing you have and one thing you know". Historically this has meant a device and a password.
The idea is that stealing just a physical object is easy (lost item, cloned, or theft), and stealing just a single piece of information is easy (leaked database, phishing, etc). Stealing both is much harder.
Passkeys satisfy both by requiring a piece of information to unlock the passkey (a fingerprint, or your phone's password, or your hardware key's unlock code). You need both the physical object where the passkey is stored and the means to unlock that device.
Password managers are not a replacement for passkeys because they are not hardware-bound. A compromised service or server provides full access.
Please use passkeys. They are genuinely more secure than passwords without 2FA.
I've seen the argument that passkeys solve a lot of problems with passwords, but I havent heard a good explanation on how you set up on a new device? At some point you need some way to authenticate that is not a passkey and so you end up back to square one passwords/MFA.
So now we've created a whole additional layer of security while not solving the initial problem. Not to mention how do you access an account if you lose your phone/don't have it on you if it's only accessible via passkey.
Some password managers, like bitwarden, allow you to save Passkeys in them, and use them on multiple devices. That's the only practicable way I've found of using them. I need to use most services on multiple devices.
Syncable passkeys do make it easier to handle new devices, but break one of the key values of passkeys - device atteststion. Syncable passkeys are effectively just long passwords as they aren't tied to a device, meaning anyone who gets ahold of the passkey can access your accounts.
At least with syncable passkeys you can't have a website leak your passkey (as they asymmetric keys), but with password+MFA a leaked password doesn't give direct access to your accounts.
Passkey's are good in theory. But the amount of them that have implemented incorrectly and don't save. Or can't find the passkey and let you just input a password or email a link is dumb.
I'm sticking with MFA using a different service for my MFA from my password manager.
I'll maybe use passkey's for more sensitive information like banks.
“I can see you’re trying to adjust your headrest. I can help you with that. To assist me, please log in to your Ford account with MFA…”
I've used this feature once to unlock the car after I forgot the keys inside. It's nice enough to have, but that's about the only scenario I'm likely to ever use for.
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