Typing a password slows you down, so now you'll need to enter a 2fa and a password. Fucking brilliant!

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[–] 21 points 5 hours ago

That seems like an idiot took the copy for two competing internal opinions and pasted them without understanding.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 hours ago

    Demanding you to use 2FA? Should be standard in this day and age.

    As long as session cookie lasts for, dunno, months. Extended automatically.

    Mandating 2FA for every fucking time you use the app, and only using email for 2FA? Special place in Hell. (I'm looking at you McDonald's)

    (Could be worse. Could be SMS 2FA.)

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  • [–] 4 points 4 hours ago

    I think it might be a bit overkill to require a login to start your car.

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  • [–] 112 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (13 children)

    Also, being able to manipulate the operation of the vehicle remotely or it announcing its own location at all times doesn't exactly scream 'security' (or privacy) to me.

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  • [–] 71 points 10 hours ago (12 children)

    Oh boy are you gonna be disappointed with every vehicle manufactured in the last decade

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    My car is only recent enough to have Bluetooth. I'm really dreading the day I have to get something newer. I love being able to just turn a knob to adjust the temperature or volume

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    I have a 2025 Toyota and it has buttons and knobs for both volume and climate control. They do have an app but it requires a subscription fee to use any of those features and I don't have any need for it. At most I'll use remote start but I can do that with my key fob.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    If there's an app that can access that, it means there is a connection between your car and their servers, at least, and an ID tied to you that was set up when you purchased the car.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

    I feel like whoever screenshotted this cropped a following paragraph telling users to use passkeys... That's the only way this would make sense

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  • [–] 13 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

    Ah yes, the third kind of evil.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Im not convinced. Considering my first examples of seeing passkeys were from Microsoft and Meta trying to force feed them to me just like they do with their AI, I'm in the camp of believing there's a more nefarious purpose behind them until completely proven otherwise. These companies are completely allergic to altruistic motives especially when it's something being pushed this hard.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 hours ago*

    i barely see the point of passkeys anyways, you can do 90% the same thing with a password manager which 1) keeps your credentials under your own control, and 2) adds another layer of security by encrypting your list of "passkeys" (i.e. very long passwords).

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    [–] 19 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    In exchange for being able to check what the charge is on our car - basically, whether it's time to leave coffee shop - I get one of the most information-stealing, asks too-many-privileges apps on my phone. And it's quite hard to do without it with an electric car. Looking at you, Ford, although I understand all manufacturers do the same.

    MFAA and a password in exchange for eg. an OAuth token so that you can manage the devices on your account, and then use your phone's usual security to control access to the app, would be one thing. But this looks more like the security team has made some demands, and the developers have implemented it in the laziest, MVP-compliant, way that they can.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago

    I get one of the most information-stealing, asks too-many-privileges apps on my phone

    Ford's app doesn't actually require ANY permissions other than network access to do what you said. It doesn't even require Nearby Devices to lock/unlock the car, nor start climate, set departure times, etc. Their app is actually pretty non-intrusive.

    ...this is thanks to the fact that the car's onboard modem is so "cloud connected" instead, so it's even more difficult to avoid telemetries! So cool, right?

    This is also why I will always make sure I have a physical keyfob if I'm ever driving a Ford somewhere. It has happened way too often that when Google Cloud has problems, Ford's "keyless entry" goes down.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago

    But this looks more like the security team has made some demands

    More like the marketing team has made some demands that the information absolutely must never, at all costs, be provided in an open API that third-party apps that don't steal your private info can use.

    We need so much more consumer protection regulation than we have.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 hours ago

    To help speed up your log in experience, you'll now also need to separately log into another app in order to log into this one in addition to the current method.

    It's so smooth

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

    A lot of people in here don't understand security fundamentals.

    Passkeys are not bad things. They are good things. 2FA in general is a good thing, and passkeys are a particular type of 2FA.

    The principle behind this type of security is, in loose terms, "one thing you have and one thing you know". Historically this has meant a device and a password.

    The idea is that stealing just a physical object is easy (lost item, cloned, or theft), and stealing just a single piece of information is easy (leaked database, phishing, etc). Stealing both is much harder.

    Passkeys satisfy both by requiring a piece of information to unlock the passkey (a fingerprint, or your phone's password, or your hardware key's unlock code). You need both the physical object where the passkey is stored and the means to unlock that device.

    Password managers are not a replacement for passkeys because they are not hardware-bound. A compromised service or server provides full access.

    Please use passkeys. They are genuinely more secure than passwords without 2FA.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    I've seen the argument that passkeys solve a lot of problems with passwords, but I havent heard a good explanation on how you set up on a new device? At some point you need some way to authenticate that is not a passkey and so you end up back to square one passwords/MFA.

    So now we've created a whole additional layer of security while not solving the initial problem. Not to mention how do you access an account if you lose your phone/don't have it on you if it's only accessible via passkey.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    Some password managers, like bitwarden, allow you to save Passkeys in them, and use them on multiple devices. That's the only practicable way I've found of using them. I need to use most services on multiple devices.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Syncable passkeys do make it easier to handle new devices, but break one of the key values of passkeys - device atteststion. Syncable passkeys are effectively just long passwords as they aren't tied to a device, meaning anyone who gets ahold of the passkey can access your accounts.

    At least with syncable passkeys you can't have a website leak your passkey (as they asymmetric keys), but with password+MFA a leaked password doesn't give direct access to your accounts.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

    Passkey's are good in theory. But the amount of them that have implemented incorrectly and don't save. Or can't find the passkey and let you just input a password or email a link is dumb.

    I'm sticking with MFA using a different service for my MFA from my password manager.

    I'll maybe use passkey's for more sensitive information like banks.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    “I can see you’re trying to adjust your headrest. I can help you with that. To assist me, please log in to your Ford account with MFA…”

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  • [–] 7 points 10 hours ago (22 children)

    I've used this feature once to unlock the car after I forgot the keys inside. It's nice enough to have, but that's about the only scenario I'm likely to ever use for.

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