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[–] 10 points 39 minutes ago

Hilarious

"Give us all your code for free who cares about copyright anyway"

"NOOOO YOU CANT USE OUR PRODUCT TO GET FRE CODE 😡😡😡"

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  • [–] 10 points 48 minutes ago (1 child)

    AI exists to aid capital against you; not aid you against capital.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 minutes ago*

    I suspect we'll see these features opened up for US-allied actors against their foreign competitors.

    You can guarantee US auto companies are going to be free to reverse engineer software and manufacturing techniques of Chinese companies, for instance.

    But you're not going to be allowed to use Grok or Meta to hack your Tesla or BMW, pull out the OS, clone it as freeware, and offer a substitute unconstrained by subscription fees and gated upgrades.

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  • [–] 3 points 22 minutes ago

    Can't let the plebeian have too much fun

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  • [–] 5 points 40 minutes ago*

    This is another reason why I've reduced my dependency on AI considerably over the past few weeks, and I no longer personally pay for any AI tools/services at all.

    It's insane to think someone would pay for something and after using it for a couple days they get told they can't use it for certain things anymore.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 hour ago*

    The restrictions are so they can gradually institute tiered access fees. This is how the industry becomes profitable.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 hours ago

    I once asked Claude to check the app it vibecoded for security flaws and it didn't want to do it.

    It literally told me to look up some basic security principles and do it myself.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    It belongs in the trash. We’re going to look back on these large LLMs like we look at the milkman

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    [–] 14 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    That's the problem when you don't own

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  • [–] 6 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

    And just like that

    G*mers are back to hating AI

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  • [–] 17 points 6 hours ago

    That's a pretty significant part of the value and utility of AI...I bet stealing ppls ideas and getting to market first is still totally fine though, right?

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  • [–] 13 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    This is sick!
    They started with limiting cyber research capabilities, now gaming, within a month... what?
    Useless piece of shit. That's why I use Mistral.
    Mistral, please do NOT go that way - I'd have to self-host my AI, and it ain't cheap :))

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  • [–] 7 points 1 hour ago*

    Why not?

    God forbid we get our fucking hobbiest programming communities back.

    Everyone always says shit like "its okay if games use ai for programming just not art, its not like its something the player interacts directly with anyway."

    Guess what? Programming is a fucking art form, and you literally interact with the code every keystroke.

    Code is an art asset, using an LLM to generate it is artistically bankrupt.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 hours ago

    Gee. I wonder why anyone would want the inefficiency of local inference?

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  • [–] 39 points 13 hours ago

    They’re training their models on my art. It’s only fair I get to use their technology in return.

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  • [–] 107 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    Copyright violation from American AI hoovering up all the data is okie dokie unless it's used by peasants to threaten technology corporations.

    I'm not defending them it's just comical hypocrisy, and ans I doubt China AI will have the same kneecapped coding capabilities.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

    Chinese models are kneecapping Tiananmen Square and Winnie the Pooh, they'll happily do anything else.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    But at least they are open (Most of them at least).

    So there's at least the possibility to lever these restrictions away.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    While I agree that open-weight is better than nothing, it is not the same as open-source.
    Having a truly open-source model would be wonderful and it would also allow us to verify what data it is trained on and whether it has the right to use that data.

    The Open Source Initiative's definition of a fully open-source AI model includes the training data as a key element. Some developers wonder, however, how feasible it is to distribute the enormous datasets required.

    He says Stanford HAI has staked out a specific bar: alignment with the Linux Foundation’s Model Openness Framework at its top tier, the “Open Science” class – meaning the code, the training data (or a thoroughly documented, auditable account of it), and the tooling are all released, not just the weights, alongside a real way for outside researchers and communities to download, run, study, contribute to, and modify the work. Anything short of that, in his view, forecloses entire lines of research: You can’t, for example, study how a model’s training data shapes its cultural assumptions, audit it for how fairly it represents different populations, or test new architectures at the scale where genuinely new behavior shows up. You can only observe a finished system from the outside and guess at why it does what it does.

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  • Right I agree, but this is basically the entire internet (and more, like scanned books), what it is trained on. They are using reinforcement learning now. And this is also one of the reasons why they have escaped the sandboxes in the American models for example.

    So you can probably safely assume that they are trained on all data that is available easily. and very likely also artificially generated data at this point. How long they are trained on, what kind of data is a different story. I think it gets increasingly more interesting how these models are trained.

    So while I agree it would be really nice to know exactly what it is trained on and how it is trained on that, I think that those that have the resources to get at least close to frontier models (i.e. AI companies) don't just open up on that, sadly.

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  • [–] 29 points 13 hours ago

    Please, please make it useless for as many use cases as possible. Then maybe it'll go away.

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  • [–] 37 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    ai is gonna kill proprietary software! adobe and microsoft are done for now that we can reverse engineer their products with ai and make them open source!!!

    you naive fools… the copyright of corporations is sacrosanct, remember? not like the copyleft of independent artists or free software. that can be violated at will!

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  • There are openweight models that are really capable at this point.

    So it might be that the American corporations try the most that this will not happen, but I think we are close to a point where this doesn't matter anymore.

    AI cloning is just a thing that is a reality now...

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  • [–] 91 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

    Was bound to happen eventually. They're going to try to make open models illegal now.

    My opinions are that its fine to make llm projects that threaten corporations who rely on saas. Doesn't mean im going to use them or that they're any good, but I want to see these companies who are firing all their employees and throwing all their money at ai to get scourned. Will build more distrust between the corpos too.

    And just to be clear its okay when they steal literally the entire world's knowledge base. But as soon as adobe and Microsoft see a 2% drop in profit all the sudden everyone's a terrorist, or its the worst thing to happen ever. I hate ai but I'll root for my enemy when he's destroying one of my original enemies, can't wait for these companies to burn. I'd go back to the stone ages if I knew elon, Sam Altmann, etc where all dead.

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  • [–] [S] 287 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

    The best part of paying for a coding assistant is discovering halfway through your project that it has developed opinions about what your project is allowed to be. Imagine your IDE refusing to compile because it thinks your game feels a little too much like Tetris. At least a compiler doesn’t pretend it’s doing you a favor.

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  • [–] 89 points 20 hours ago*

    I think that's what they wanted from the very beginning, to accelerate projects that are socially convenient for them, but not those that are not.

    There's that issue with universal machines that some people don't like that others are allowed to make universal decisions.

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    [–] 133 points 21 hours ago (33 children)

    Local LLMs are the way to go on AI, they can't suddenly change the model up on you. And also, I guess Anthropic just wants their models to be more useless ahead of going public? Because I presume people that want to use AI, who don't care where they send their data to, but don't want to nagged about how they can't do benign programming and analysis tasks, will just choose another model provider.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

    They are the way to go, but hardware pricing makes it cost-prohibitive to match frontier capabilities, which makes decomp and recomp difficult. Or rather, they require more skill and take longer, introducing some barriers against the current floodgates being flung open.

    We all know the eye-watering prices GPUs and RAM cost now, to say nothing of Unified Memory devices like the Strix. Most people just don't have a spare $10K to throw at an inference box that can run (say) a 300B model at interactive (not batch) speeds.

    Coming at this from another angle tho, I note that according to Steam stats, the most popular GPUs are in the 8GB and 16GB range...which is smack bang in the VRAM range of what a good MoE (say, Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B) runs on (for 8GB) or arguably the best local dense coder (Qwen 3.8 27B) can live at. Which leaves us with a capable assistant and a capable coder.

    I think there's probably room for LLM improvement in the 8–16GB range too...and given that most consumer PCs and laptops live there, I'm sanguine the open-weight devs might make it happen.

    But I also suspect the gatekeeping of high-end capacities is intentional.

    We're probably not going to have the ability to vibe code Mario into Elden Ring again...not without significantly more skill. Dunno.

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    [–] 13 points 15 hours ago

    i know we've had our fun putting middle fingers up towards Adobe and the like, but these kinds of restrictions are needed to protect developers who aren't insanely wealthy.

    from the article, which i'm sure you all read:

    And yet there are situations that merit some discussion, like the recent controversy about the Steam Next Fest being chock-full of AI slop copied from existing titles. That particular situation is getting particularly nasty, as game developers are reportedly being extorted under threat that their game demos will be cloned into complete games before they have a chance to finish and release the original.

    Adding insult to injury, this is seemingly being done to small studios whose main priority is usually "having food," rather than big publishers looking to microtransaction everything into a new yacht for shareholders.

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  • [–] 15 points 15 hours ago

    now try to do the same and tell your boss you won't do something because you don't wanna

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