Shots shots shots (europe.pub)
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[–] 130 points 2 weeks ago* (21 children)

Years ago, when imposing a minimum credit card purchase was not allowed, I had the following exchange:

Me: I’d like to order a second beer.
Bartender: Sorry, we’ve already called last call.
Me: Okay, I’ll just close out my tab then. Here’s my credit card.
Bartender: You’ve only have the one beer, and we have a ten dollar minimum for credit card purchases.
Me: Cool, I’ll have that second beer then.
Bartender: But we’ve called last call.
Me: ….
Me: Listen, you can pour me a second beer and I’ll meet your minimum. Or you can ring me up for the one I had. Your choice. The alternative is I just leave.

They rang me up for one.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I think that can put them in an off spot legally, depending on their local liquor board. I understand the bartenders reluctance.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Not really. I’ve bartended (and managed bartenders) in this state for twenty years. The only binding thing is the 2am cutoff, and that means no one is allowed to have ANY alcohol at 2am. For that reason, most places call last call 15–30 minutes before 2. Nothing out of the norm there, but he absolutely could have sold me one more beer at 1:40 saying that it has to be finished by 1:59.

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    [–] 70 points 2 weeks ago (34 children)

    Am I too European to understand this? This minimum shit is stupid and should be illegal

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  • [–] 64 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Visa and Mastercard are horrible companies. For smaller businesses.

    1. If your transaction numbers are low they charge a flat + percentage So like 0.55 EUR + 1.2%. Stores in this tier generally try and keep a minimum spend, because you buy 1 EUR and mastercard charges 56c. From 44c you have to pay for product and make a profit. It's stupid.

    2. You can opt for plans that don't have flat fee, so it's like 2.25% percentage only. Useful if you move a lot of small value items like a small convinience store.

    3. But if you're a chain of convinience like SPAR, they can get custom deals. SPAR had a tiered deal, transactions below 1 EUR, they charge 0.4%, below 4 EUR it was 0.9%, below 10 EUR 1.5% and, above 1.9% This would never be possible for smaller shops.

    4. Every transaction enriches some foreign country as they take the cut. Homegrown system like wero should be dominant, cheap and stays in local economy.

    Also I'd like to note, I've been out of touch of Europe for a while so my opinions and knowledge might be dated, but this is solved problem in ASIA, PayNow, Prompt Pay, UPI etc exist and are fantastic solutions for small businesses.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

    It isn’t illegal, but it’s against the TOS for every major cc company. If you see this shit you should report it.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    $10 is the amount generally outlined as the acceptable minimum. What information are you relying on? Can you provide a source for that?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Visa/Mastercard rules say that you can't refuse to accept payment with credit cards if you accept them in general. They are pretty adamant about that rule and even have secret shoppers to confirm such cases. The 10$ minimum is only allowed in the US and territories, the rest of the world does not have this exception (https://www.visa.com/en-us/support/visa-rules#6153bdb1)

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago*

    I see it in kiosks in Germany all the time. I’ll grant you that they’re not generally the most above board businesses, and I’m now wondering if it’s posted or just shared verbally after they clock you

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago

    The post is in English and using $ specifically, so I'm unsure why they said it's against TOS. I get that the commenter was European, but they were basically asking if this was a legit thing that they didn't know because they aren't from here. They didn't ask "is this true in Europe", so I feel like it's misleading to suggest it's against TOS unless you're specifically suggesting "for Europe it's against TOS but it's fine in the US".

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Which part exactly? The store owner can refuse service to anyone for any reason, I really doubt there's an enforceable agreement that requires them to take transactions simply by have a card pos system.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (4 children)

    They absolutely must accept a card presented for any amount. It’s part of the TOS with every major cc company. This is the bar trying to shirk the service fees on small transactions, but it flies directly in the face of what the card issuer tries to guarantee, “accepted everywhere”. If they find out a business is refusing their cards when they don’t hit a minimum, they will warn the business, and if they keep doing it, will no longer do business with them. That’s a big reason some bar are cash only, all the cc companies cut them off. (Also tax evasion, obviously)

    Edit: welp, I just did a little research, and while that USED to be true, it’s now allowed as long as the minimum is no more than $10. As of 2010.

    Everything always gets shittier.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    ? I encounter this in Europe regularly.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

    There are european countries that have made the practice illegal.
    There are countries that said you should always, without extra costs, allow digital payment.
    Funny enough, they bypassed cards then and went for things like payconiq, wero, apple pay, google wallet, ... to bypass the costs of card readers haha

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    Indeed it is in most of Europe, I think.

    I did buy something in a takeaway a few years ago and it was like 20p below the minimum, and I just went "charge 20p extra then" and it seemed to break the other customers minds. Never occurred to them you can do that, rather than asking for an extra £2 of stuff you don't want...

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    [–] 49 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Just a heads up, you should probably fix your title before someone makes a shota joke.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

    Shot glasses are usually pretty small and peanut m&ms are relatively large, $1 for what probably amounts to ~6 m&ms sounds like a rip off.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    bars are a ripoff. $4 a drink during happy hour, for the cost of one good evening I can just buy a bottle and drink for a week.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    You're not paying for the booze, you're paying for space and time in that spot. It's so expensive to keep the doors open. All the licencing and insurance. Wages, rent. It all adds up so quickly. I worked at a modest sized place for a few years and got to know the business side of it. It was at least 7k a week through the till to break even.

    Edit: to all the bar haters out there; find a spot without TVs or blaring music. You may be surprised by how nice it can be just chilling and having some drinks. So many bars are just sensory overload. A nice quiet drinking hole is worth its weight in gold.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Which is why young people aren't drinking anymore. The space etc is simply not worth the prices.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    For a dollar not sure it could be anything else. Alcohol is expensive.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Bars in general I just don't get, like you want to be outside/in public, with people you don't know, to buy food that's double+ what it costs anywhere else, to have like 2oz shots and pretend to be 'wasted', the bathroom looks like a highway rest stop, they play bad music, you can watch people who can't play pool get mad at other people who also can't play pool...

    Oh and places that claim to be 'clubs' and just give the illusion of being upscale and exclusive but it's the same thing behind the veil. A 'cover charge' to receive nothing at all? You gotta be out of your mind. Running iTunes on a laptop does not make your music 'curated' by 'DJ Drippin'. And if there's a 'dance floor' it's all horny stumbling people who think they can dance.

    And then you get the bros that are like 'getting blackout drunk and finding out you plowed 3 chicks is my definition of a great weekend' like dude you blew $800 last night and there was a pool cue sticking out of your ass when you woke up. Explain how this is so great. 'it just is bro, you just need to try it, experience it, bro'. Whatever you say, bro.

    Everyone I know that wants to drink just hits up Walmart or Costco first, grabs food after, and goes home to chill with said food and liquor. Even when we were the target demographic, just.. why.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    Maybe you just have the wrong bars in your area? I don't go as often as I used to but for me going to a (bistro) bar or a brewpub offers a nice change of scenery. Sitting outside watching other people strolling by gives you something else to talk about. Or when the weather is crap, I'll sit inside sipping some dark craft beer I can't buy in the supermarket.

    When we hang out someone's home conversation tends to dry out after an hour or so and we just end up playing board games (which is fine too).

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Or maybe you got a local bar with decently priced food, generous drink pours, and regularly attended by friendly neighbors whom you don't always have to chat up but are perfectly lovely when you do

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