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[–] 39 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Heroes.

The first half of the first season was so good. The second half was ok. Every subsequent season gave the impression that it was handed off to a different writer every week, and that those writers hated each other.

They changed the rules constantly, except when they just ignored the rules.

The main character collects new powers as the show goes on, but he never uses them. He just completely forgets that he has them. Kind of like the time he completely forgets he has a girlfriend and never mourns her, mentions her, or even acknowledges that he lost her somewhere in an alternate timeline or something.

That's not much better than the villain. The entire first season is about stopping him from doing a specific thing, because a time traveler has foreseen that it'll result in the world ending. Season two opens with him doing that thing, and everything is fine. He has at least three heel-face turns, which are immediately undone when the next writer is up to bat.

One good character undergoes a terrible transformation and murders a bunch of people, but the next season he's suddenly good and everyone forgot. Again.

Constant retcons. This character is actually that character's secret brother! This one lady who died was actually triplets! It adds nothing to the story and makes no sense, but there it is!

(I'm not joking either. Secret triplets.)

They did a reboot of the show a few years later and did the exact same thing.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I remember season 1 having a lot of potential, then there was a writer's strike that impacted season 2. Must have been piece mealed together from non union writers, and it showed.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    My understanding is that the creator wanted each season to follow a new set of characters, with season 2 being the previous generation that founded the organization that horn rimmed glasses guy worked for. But the network said no, and made him slap together a direct follow up. That was already an uphill battle before the writer's strike.

    Kind of unrelated, but season 1 was also supposed to end with all the various characters converging in an epic battle avengers style, but they were over budget and the network weren't willing to give them more, so instead we got the poochy ending.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, this show had potential, some cool ideas, but just couldn't figure out what the fuck it was doing. No consistency or direction. I think a big part of what really sent it off the rails was the Writer's strike in 2007. But it was already seeing plot issues well before that.

    Feels like there were a lot of shows in the mid 2000s that were sold to the public entirely on The Hook™, a clear target or mystery that got you watching it. "Save the cheerleader, save the world." "How I met your mother". "What the fuck is going on this island? Is this like Purgatory or something?" "Guy gets terminal cancer, and decides to cook meth to make money for his family before he dies". Some managed to pivot from that hook into a new hook or a compelling narrative. Some just kept moving the goal post or compounding the mystery. And some just got really boring or contrived after the initial stuggle resolved or the mysteries just never panned out to anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I thought the main character was only able to absorb one power at a time. Wouldn't make it fit better?

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    [–] 36 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Homer Simpson has forgotten he knows music at least 2 times.

    Other than that, I’ve heard Lost is bad, very bad.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Wait, what? I know that Lost's ending was controversial, but this is the first time I've heard that it's not internally consistent. It's whacky, but it's SciFi. Do you know any examples of what isn't internally consistent?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    You're correct. There are things that don't connect, but there's not like a ton of internal contradictions.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

    Far from the worst but my funniest example comes from my favourite show. In the first season of Stargate SG-1, they introduced an alien weapon which would go on to become a staple of the series, the Zat Gun. One shot stuns, two shots kill, and three shots... Disintegrates?!

    Yeah, it's so stupidly powerful that the writers pretty much immediately realized the mistake and the show kinda just conveniently forgets that was established in the first season, except for like three other times in the entire ten season run.

    Even the first two shots became very nebulous over time.

    Edited to add, the disintegration effect is even mocked in-world in a very meta way in later seasons.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    They wanted a phaser but couldn't call it a vaporize setting.

    But they didn't completely abandon it. Disintegration gets used a handful more times when they remember it and it helps them wave away plot holes. Like in the episode where they end up in the 60s they disintegrate a box. A box!

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Well, not quite. Iirc the disintegration effect came about last minute when the director decided he needed a way to remove the bodies, to explain why other jaffa wouldn't see them and get suspicious.

    It's why in the Wormhole Xtreme episode, they mock that exact premise when O'Neill Marty suggests it.

    Edited, corrected below!

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    [–] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    If I’m being honest with myself, Star Trek.

    All of it.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Baywatch, especially when you take into account Baywatch: Nights where Hasslehoff works as a private eye and solves x-files.

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Ok but keep in mind I'm speaking to the televised order of release.

    Firefly.

    They released the series out of order so the very first episode already had you deep into the story without establishing anything or anyone. Once you streamed it or watched it on dvd it made more sense. Plus the choose not to air some episodes at all which also introduced plot points and by not airing those you ruin consistency.

    And I'll add, the series is fantastic and serenity was a very nice bow to the short lived series. Highly recommend if you haven't seen it.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    I could say the same for Babylon 5. The original airing of the show was entirely out of order. One of the common things you'd notice is how every othet episode, the crew had different uniforms. They were only supposed to change uniforms once per season.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    I won't say it's the worst, but King of the Hill had a habit of contracting itself. Especially when it came to Peggy's family.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Supernatural eventually just made it a running gag that things changed when they felt like it.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Lol my mom used to watched Days of Our Lives religiously. The funniest part to me was when people had kids. There was never much of a story in people raising babies, so they would age kids really rapidly. Like, someone had a baby. Next season the baby is 5 years old, next season they were 12, next season they'd be an older teen and then soon they'd be adults having kids of their own.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Transformers. Is "energon" a crystal, a liquid, or something more nebulous? Are Primus and Unicron one being? Did the Quintessons create the Transformers? Where do the Go-Bots fit in?

    And don't get me started on the Allspark vs. Vector Sigma...

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Futurama freely makes shit up. They'll invent new math theorems to make a body-swap episode work, but if their cool new backstory for Bender contradicts canon, they do not give a dang.

    It's not the worst plot hole, because it doesn't affect the extremely episodic show. They're just willfully apathetic toward consistency.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    1899 on Netflix.

    Every episode had some big in-universe mechanic reveal which made pretty much every action taken by characters before that even MORE nonsensical.

    It just kept getting worse and worse as events cascades into each other.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I always thought the problem with 1899 was that it was missold.

    I wanted a genuine set in the early 20th century nautical mystery horror.

    spoiler
    Instead it was "it's all just VR" and you discover that early on, and then you just flatout loses interest knowing the people in it can't really get hurt or they're not actually people.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Rings of Power sure is up there.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Teletubbies

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Golden Girls.

    How many siblings did they all have?!?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Doctor Who. Or is that Dr. Who.

    • He is sometimes a She.
    • He is an alien of the race Time Lord. Except when he’s half-human.
    • The most recent run was Season 2. Or Season 15. Or Series 41.
    • The Doctor has reincarnated 15 times. Or 17. Or 18. Or 19. Or 20. Or 28.
    • Continuity is just what the writer of the current episode remembers / is convenient.
    • The only rule is: There is no such thing as canon.
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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    ...Spongebob?

    I guess this is true of lots of western animation, but it's particularly egregious. At least with the classic episodes.


    ...That's not a rule though. As an example, DCAU and YJ keep a lot of shit straight, somehow.

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