A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.

Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.

Made me laugh. :)

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[–] 246 points 10 months ago (35 children)

They've really painted themselves into a corner with their AI investments. It's starting to look like the total addressable market is a small fraction of what they'd need to break even on their atrociously ill-advised investments into the sector, and now they're becoming increasingly desperate to shoehorn a technology that nobody wants into everything they can.

Literally everybody who has an inkling of an idea of what's going on in the AI space knows how this ends, but somehow the board and c-staff at MSFT are not counted amongst the inkling havers. In a few years they're going to have to write off countless billions that they've wasted on this idiocy and nobody will be surprised but them.

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  • [–] 156 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (21 children)

    Apparently when Satya Nadella took over, Steve Ballmer told him "don't screw up". In terms of stock price and profits, he absolutely hasn't. In terms of producing products that consumers might actually want to pay for, he has failed completely and Microsoft has never been in a worse position. But those two things are completely disconnected now so it's fine.

    Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator with AI guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation

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  • [–] 86 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation

    Ya know, I'm not a linux "supporter" in the traditional sense. I usually find it annoying when people hijack these threads to say they use linux.

    But man......even though I don't have a clue what I'm doing in linux, I'd rather be on linux than windows 11.

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  • [–] 57 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    We have passed the point where it has to be complicated. If you choose something like Garuda, Bazzite, or Mint, it should be a pretty straightforward switch.

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    [–] 115 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    i have a simple question... who the fuck asked for this?

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    [–] 105 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    I hate how tech companies just constantly want to change everything.

    Just give me something usable that I can get shit done with and fuck off. I don't want your changes and updates and new feature.

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    That's one thing I love about FOSS, that the only stakeholders are the devs and the users. The goal is to make software that's good at what it does.

    When it comes to any tech company's product, you not only have all the stakeholders that corrupt the end product, but you have giant teams of marketers, designers, engineers, and managers that need to constantly justify their existence and or be efficiently utilized at all times.

    Honestly it's like lesser version of enshittification, the tendency of commercial products to always be changing things.

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    [–] 102 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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    [–] 86 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Remember, they said Windows 10 was the last version you'd need. The last version.

    In a country full of people that get a chub at the thought of litigation why hasn't this angle been pursued?

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago

    Because in the USA, private individuals don't have meaningful access to the legal system. Realistically, the best you could possibly hope for in a case like this would be a settlement in a class action where every Windows 10 user who's willing to jump through a bunch of hoops ends up with a seven dollar check in half a decade.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    That was never actually an official statement. It was an offhand comment by some staffer that didn't carry any legal weight nor accurately describe the internal trajectory for Windows in any way. As much as we like to poke fun at it regardless.

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    [–] 72 points 10 months ago (25 children)

    Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?

    Whatever it is, it sounds fucking stupid.

    The OS doesnt need to be a focus. the OS is best when you completely forget its existence and can just do things without worry.

    Which is why Windows 7 is the best operating system microsoft has, and seemingly will, ever produce.

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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?

    Agentic OS is a buzzword that's meant to imply that the OS is (or has) an AI agent doing useful things for you in the background without you explicitly asking it to do those things (ie an agent working for you). For an agent to be useful, (they say) it has to know and learn everything it can about you, your life, your friends, activities, contacts, work, and so on.

    The tradeoff is pretty extreme though. Everything you do on the PC is watched, analyzed, catalogued, and retained by MIcrosoft (and possibly whoever they choose to share the info with, which is likely every government that asks). The features that do this are generically called client-side scanning and Microsoft has a few specific variants you can read about called Copilot Recall, and Copilot Vision.

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    [–] 67 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    What I see time and time again are people saying "I HAVE TO use Windows at work, but I don't use it at home".

    So, logically that means Windows is losing market share to Mac and Linux, right?

    Well, no. What I see over the past 20 years is that people just stopped buying PCs for personal use.

    At this point, it really feels like if you're over 55, you're in the minority if you own a PC. If you're younger than 30, you're in the minority if you own a PC.

    And for 30-55 year olds, it's simple. You grew up with PCs, so you're used to them. Everyone else just sees it as "that thing we use at work"

    So, no. People dropping microsoft from their own personal lives doesn't mean they switch to linux. It just means they use their cell phone or tablet to browse the web. Because for most people, thats all a pc is anyways. Just a machine to browse the web on.

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    [–] 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Microsoft's Windows chief Pavan Davuluri had earlier hinted at such plans already about how the next evolution of OS will make it capable enough to "semantically understand you" as Windows will get "more ambient, more pervasive, more multi-modal". Using features like Copilot Vision it will be able to "look at your screen" and do more.

    Since when did corpos try to reframe the word "pervasive" as something positive?

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    [–] 50 points 10 months ago (31 children)

    Backlash is actually losing business, what they are really getting is a lot of whining from people who never do anything anyway.
    It was the same with Windows 95, XP, then Vista, then 8 and 10 and now 11.
    Very few who are used to Windows will abandon it just because it's becoming a surveillance hellscape of forced updates, advertising and other annoyances.
    Microsoft is posting record profits on their way down, just like Intel did 10 years ago.
    That said Microsoft is still in a better position, and while Windows may lose relevancy, Microsoft has way more revenue coming from other sources than Intel had without X86.

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    [–] 48 points 10 months ago

    Unfortunately, most Windows users have a long history of complaining about it and then still continuing to use it.

    There's no way around it: if you keep using abusive software, you'll stay in an abusive relationship.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I have some aging hardware (approaching 10 year old desktop PC) and I switched to Linux. I have to still use Windows at work but none of my personal computers are Windows anymore.

    Microsoft can go kick rocks.

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    [–] 36 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    In a few years Microsoft will just release Windows 12, with most of these AI features removed. Maybe they'll do some user friendly tweaks too, but just a few. And most of Windows refugees will come back, praising Microsoft for listening to the community. Meanwhile there'll be even more spyware and even less user control over the OS, but the vast majority will never notice that. That's all it takes.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    I think you are enormously overestimating their abilities to:

    A) reflect on poor management decisions that hurt users. They have increased their company valuation TEN-fold under Satya Nadella over the last 11 years, and his push to cannibalise the hosted-services partners and Gold partners with Azure/365 made them a lot of ground before then. They became the second company ever to reach a valuation of $3T back in 2024. If you think a (globally) handful of unhappy home OS users will cause then to change course - I don't think so, certainly never been my experience with MS.

    B) win back most of the users they have lost to Windows. Why would those users return? They have what they need with their new solutions, and moving to them was a time and education cost that they have now fully paid, they're invested. They'd have to have something very compelling to bring them back beyond, "hey guys we stopped being shit! ######for now "

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    [–] 36 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    The best part here is that, when the AI bubble pops, AI will become a dirty word for a while before settling in some, much smaller, feature.

    MS is going all gas no brakes on AI and when that bubble pops, their entire ecosystem will be toxic and laughable

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    [–] 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yup. Got two days off, and I'm going Linux. If i can actually replace windows for what I need, then it looks like i just freed up some space on my nvme.

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    [–] 33 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I can't wait for that whole AI bubble to blow up. Shame it's most likely not gonna kill Microsoft..

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    [–] 33 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    This is why I'm glad PCs aren't locked down like phones and there's nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Yet. Some exec at Microsoft is thinking "the problem is that PCs aren't locked down like phones and there’s nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet." If they can't force everyone to use their AI crap they'll lobby the US Government and give Donald Trump some fake award, and before you know it desktop Linux will be a crime just like fixing your own tractor is a crime.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I wonder when the big software players running their stuff on Win are going to complain. For me, I'm tied to Autodesk. If they would make their mind up and start a Linux version or support Proton (I don't see, why the advancement in the gaming world couldn't in principle be applied to productivity software) I would be away from MS at work instantly.

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    [–] 31 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Replaced the last Windows computer in the house with CachyOS this morning. Fuck off Microsoft.

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    [–] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Further comments may have been disabled, but a number of them are still up and are highly entertaining:

    https://xcancel.com/pavandavuluri/status/1987942909635854336

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    [–] 27 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Microsoft [...] gets massive backlash

    Pretty much since the release of Windows 10, Microsoft has been getting backlash because of the invasive, hostile and insane decisions they make and force on their users. It's gotten particularly vocal since W11 and the EOL of Windows 10.

    Yet, everybody seems to eat the plate of shit MS serves them. They complain, but most people dont seem to want to put in effort to rid themselves of Microsoft.

    I could cry.

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    [–] 26 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder if no one is left at Microsoft that knows enough about the core systems to actually improve those... So the best they can do is throw more shit on top

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    [–] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Can the AI Shit be disabled?

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    If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Shit like this is why whenever companies say they’re “customer focused” I say they’re full of shit.

    No one wants this but M$ has so much investment tied into this that they need to make people want this.

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